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Raynor Shine Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:32 am Post subject: 87 Radius Arm(Strut bar) Bushings need Help w/ PICS |
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I read what I could posted here and bentley on radius arm. My bushings are worn, and I got my replacements but haven't installed them. Is there a reason why I wouldnt want to do this procedure? Bentley only shows to measure the thread length. I do plan on an aligntment after I am done.
Is this a PITA what should I look out for? I plan on marking the threads with perma marker to keep it close to orignal threading.
insight?
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jeremysmithatshawdotca Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2002 Posts: 2530 Location: Edmonton, AB
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:32 am Post subject: |
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We had to replace the radius arm bushings, among other things, in order to pass the out of province inspection when we bought our 91. These bushings were the only thing I had trouble with. So much so, that I took it in to a shop to have them do it, and it took them 5 hours to get them replaced, because the nuts were so hard to get off. |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9939 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: 87 Radius Arm Bushings |
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Just count the number of threads showing on each side before you start. Then make sure the same number is there when you are done. If the alignment is good now it will probably be close after too.
Mark
Raynor Shine wrote: |
I read what I could posted here and bentley on radius arm. My bushings are worn, and I got my replacements but haven't installed them. Is there a reason why I wouldnt want to do this procedure? Bentley only shows to measure the thread length. I do plan on an aligntment after I am done.
Is this a PITA what should I look out for? I plan on marking the threads with perma marker to keep it close to orignal threading.
insight? |
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AnmlMthrM60 Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2007 Posts: 228 Location: Prescott, AZ
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Radius arm? Anyone care to enlighten me with the terminology? _________________ Justin
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Alan Brase Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 4532 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:49 am Post subject: |
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AnmlMthrM60 wrote: |
Radius arm? Anyone care to enlighten me with the terminology? |
Maybe call them lower front struts? The diagonal member from the lower front cross member to the outer part of the lower control arm.
If you live in the rust belt you will want to buy the washers and sleeves as well. I found mine to be totally destroyed by rust and this allowed the bushing to move much more, actually damaging the mounting slighty.
Al _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10379 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
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Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:43 am Post subject: |
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69doublecab wrote: |
AnmlMthrM60 wrote: |
Radius arm? Anyone care to enlighten me with the terminology? |
Maybe call them lower front struts? The diagonal member from the lower front cross member to the outer part of the lower control arm.
If you live in the rust belt you will want to buy the washers and sleeves as well. I found mine to be totally destroyed by rust and this allowed the bushing to move much more, actually damaging the mounting slighty.
Al |
.... or strut bars, radius rods.
And yes the metal sleeve, (and radius arm itself), and the hole they pass through can get very worn out. Just went through repairing the hole on mine and replacing a bunch of front end parts. On an '81. I think radius rod Hole and bushing details is the same for all model years AFAIK. And this was here on the West coast. Not a rust belt area really.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=340853&highlight=radius+arm
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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Raynor Shine Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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ok so I got the nuts loose, but I can't get the rod to loosen up to slide it out. I don't have an impact wrench. am I stuck? Is there tension on the strut bar? BTW it is a 27 MM nut.
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kshbaja Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Did you have any luck with this? I am going after the same bushings today. After loosening up the nut at the bushing, do you simply put the same wrench on the end of the rod where it threads into the control arm and pull like heck? Bentley shows 133 ft/lbs on that one. Did you try a torch? _________________ 1986 Westfalia |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Raynor Shine"]ok so I got the nuts loose, but I can't get the rod to loosen up to slide it out. I don't have an impact wrench. am I stuck? Is there tension on the strut bar? BTW it is a 27 MM nut.
Pic/scrape away dirt where rod nut meets the lower control arm and soak it with penetrating liquid again.
I've never tried this, but if one were to use heat, might be best to apply heat to lower control arm where rod threads in.
Safe use of a BFH and wrench may help too although not sure if there's enough room to hit "down" on wrench.
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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Raynor Shine Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks v-nut- I got an impact wrench with a 14mm socket on the end of the bar, lifted it a bit to center the rod. Still no luck. Just to clarify its a counter clockwise thread to lossen, right? |
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Christopher Schimke Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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I think that if it were me, I would abandon the removal of the strut rod and just remove the lower control arm as a whole. In fact, before doing anything else, I would try to remove the lower coontrol arm bushing bolt, lower the control arm until the spring pressure is off of it and try to pull it backwards to see if you can get the clearance necessary to free the strut rod from the body mount. _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
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kshbaja Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2008 Posts: 476 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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So I was able to remove mine. The procedure I used was use an impact wrench with a 27mm socket to spin off the forward most nut. Then with your 27mm open ended wrench, spin the remaining forward-most nut towards the control arm. This takes a long time as you have to move it about 3" to get enough clearance to later remove the rod. You may have to put a pipe on the end of the 27mm wrench for leverage to get it started. Once this is done, then take the same 27mm wrench to the end of the rod closest to the control arm. Again get out the pipe for extra leverage. This spins left, like a normal nut to release. Just like the 2nd nut you removed, you have to spin this about 3" worth of thread, half turn at a time. It came right out, but took a long time. No heat needed.
I was just going to do my radius arm bushings today, but it was enough work getting this off I am going to go ahead and replace all the bushings I ordered 6 months ago. Will take the van out of commission for a week or so, but I don't want to come back down here again any time soon! _________________ 1986 Westfalia |
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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loogy wrote: |
I think that if it were me, I would abandon the removal of the strut rod and just remove the lower control arm as a whole. In fact, before doing anything else, I would try to remove the lower coontrol arm bushing bolt, lower the control arm until the spring pressure is off of it and try to pull it backwards to see if you can get the clearance necessary to free the strut rod from the body mount. |
Yes!
If I had known what issues I would run into (lack of experience/uber rust) I would have dropped the LCA and rod as a unit on my '81
On the old style suspension, I found that one can install the "unit" with rod connected to LCA.
This page I just threw together should apply to later model suspension. It is more involved than what Loogy logically suggest, but if need be, this is how I dropped the whole thing as a unit.
http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/lowercontrolarminstallas%22unit%22
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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kshbaja Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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How do you disconnect the speedo cable from the driver side front spindle so the spindle/LCA can be removed? Will the speedo cable pull through the spindle? Or do you need to disconnect at the speedo and pull it all the way out? _________________ 1986 Westfalia |
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Franklinstower Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Raynor Shine wrote: |
ok so I got the nuts loose, but I can't get the rod to loosen up to slide it out. I don't have an impact wrench. am I stuck? Is there tension on the strut bar? BTW it is a 27 MM nut.
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I sprayed it down, let it soak for a while with pb blaster and it still did not budge, Heat was the trick - I used Map Gas to heat it up and I used a really large crescent wrench with a pipe on the end for extra leverage to break it loose.
Paul _________________ '89 Westy - EJ25/22 Frank 4.44 5mt
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Vanagon Nut Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Raynor Shine wrote: |
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Just to clarify its a counter clockwise thread to lossen, right? |
I've never removed a later model radius arm, but i suspect it's a standard thread, so lefty loosie.
Yes. CCW
Raynor Shine wrote: |
Thanks v-nut- I got an impact wrench with a 14mm socket on the end of the bar, lifted it a bit to center the rod. .... |
I don't understand.
Neil. _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
1988 West DIY 50º ABA
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