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Red Fau Veh
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I have a pair of nos Marchal 672/682 foglamps that my dad bought in europe in the early 50's. I have been searching for a proper vehicle to mount them on for years. I can't put these on the baywindow because they are to retro looking, but if I get a split I will mount them up. You can't buy these anymore except fake reproductions, and those cost over 200 bucks and are chinese made crap. This is a pic of the same ones off the net, one yellow bulb and one clear, except mine ar new in the box still.
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Krautski
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ok fine, all this stuff looks great in photos or on a sunny day at a summer meet but is anyone really planning on using these devices under the conditions for which they were designed?
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In case that wasn't rhetorical: Yes.
Relay your headlights with proper bulbs and aim, and a set of working fogs, and you put out a wall of light. People actually don't pass on pitch black rainy rural roads because they don't want to break trail in the darkness.
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thewalrus
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I had to find the rear one and take a photo.
The part number.
It has a black cover for a later baywindow,I think the early style is chrome.
Here is the switch for the front and the rear fog lights.
The part number.
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Tpoaz,
I'm still in the market for one of those switches and rear fog lights. If you come across an extra set or either of them let me know 
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topaz.
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Tom71
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Has anybody put fog lights on an early bay that has the tire on the front? Curious how it looks.
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jtauxe 
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I had to find the rear one and take a photo.
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My 1975 Mexican SC had the foul weather package M-code (Z01) and had factory-installed fog lights, front and rear. These are gone, but I wish to restore them. I have the lamps, and there are holes up front that I will use, but I don't know how the rear one was wired.
Does anyone have an example of factory wiring for the rear fog light? How was the wire run? I see in topaz's photo that there is a grommet on the wiring harness... so, where did that penetrate the body? I find no hole for that, but it is probably obscured by PO bondo, like the front ones were.
See also this from another thread:
When I get these done right, I will share photos of what the factor install looked like.
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Xevin
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 that bus is almost as cool as those rockin plaid pants. Great photo.
Very cool fog lamps. What's with the black round part where the emblem usually goes. Sorry to get off track. Never seen anything like it.
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Hoody
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Original fog lights |
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| I have the correct early chrome rear fog and green Hella switch for the front and rear fog lights if anyone is interested. |
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rsbadura
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| I have the correct early chrome rear fog and green Hella switch for the front and rear fog lights if anyone is interested. |
the green Hella switch is an aftermarket package for subsequent installations.
(may be used on early bay windows, where fog lights were not an VW option as started ~Aug. 1971 with M-Code Z 01 "bad weather package")
With M-Code Z 01 original in bay windows is a Hella switch with yellow illuminated fog light sign (positions: off. front, front & rear):
(The position is near the ash tray - see also manuals)
Also the front fog lights are made by Hella in Europe - not Bosch - as somebody posted before.
Some later originals have only a black plastic back side - not chrome.
So I prefer the current Hella Classic 181 (completely chrom) - with attachable plastic stone guard covers.
http://www.vw-t2-bulli.de/index.php?de-foglight
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jtauxe
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Original fog lights |
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| With M-Code Z 01 original in bay windows is a Hella switch with yellow illuminated fog light sign (positions: off. front, front & rear) |
I can confirm this. The '75 SC with factory fog lights has this 3-position fog light switch. I managed to find a spare one as well, in case the original breaks, but they are damned rare. Here's one:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1864901
As many of you know, if you don't need the 3-position functionality (which you really don't -- just keep the rear fog on with the front ones, or wire the rear permanently to the tail lights, as I will be doing) you can make your own fog light switch from a rear defroster switch (not hard to find) and an orange fog light bezel. Didn't topaz have some for sale? I can't find them now...
I also found the original wiring for the rear fog light! It was hiding back there in the engine compartment: a black/purple wire in the loom, and it goes out through a grommet in the floor of the driver's side "battery tray area", and out to the lamp.
The original wiring for the front fogs is set up so that they do not come on with the high beams, which is proper for fog lights. However, I will be making a minor (and reversible) change to make them work as driving lights instead of fog lights, so that they can be used alongside high beams. Here in northern New Mexico, fog is uncommon, but deer at night are common, so I am opting for the light.
As for the rear fog light, it is so much brighter than the basic tail lights that I intend to run with it all the time when the lights are on. I want as much light on the rear as possible, since the basic tail lights are not great.
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Original fog lights |
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| rsbadura wrote: |
| With M-Code Z 01 original in bay windows is a Hella switch with yellow illuminated fog light sign (positions: off. front, front & rear) |
Under duress, I might stretch to 16 Euros for one of these, but certainly NOT as much as 160 Euros, which is daylight robbery!
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As many of you know, if you don't need the 3-position functionality (which you really don't -- just keep the rear fog on with the front ones, or wire the rear permanently to the tail lights, as I will be doing) you can make your own fog light switch from a rear defroster switch (not hard to find) and an orange fog light bezel.
Here in northern New Mexico, fog is uncommon, but deer at night are common, so I am opting for the light.
As for the rear fog light, it is so much brighter than the basic tail lights that I intend to run with it all the time when the lights are on. I want as much light on the rear as possible, since the basic tail lights are not great. |
The ideal fog-light switch has four positions with one OFF and three ON
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=328345
I am unacquainted with the motor-vehicle lighting & use regulations in New Mexico, but here in Great Britain and probably the European Union also, it would be illegal to wire-up rear fog lamps, so that they were permanently illuminated, whenever the rear 5W tail lights were illuminated.
Keeping the rear fog light illuminated under conditions other than reduced visibility (defined as less than circa 100 metres), would be subject to a fine and maybe even 3 penalty points on one's driving licence. Collect 12 penalty points over a given period and one's licence would be suspended!
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Smushy
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Original fog lights |
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The ideal fog-light switch has four positions with one OFF and three ON
I am unacquainted with the motor-vehicle lighting & use regulations in New Mexico, but here in Great Britain and probably the European Union also, it would be illegal to wire-up rear fog lamps, so that they were permanently illuminated, whenever the rear 5 W tail lights were illuminated.
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I'm also not in New Mexico, but up here in Canada I don't believe there are any infractions regarding rear fog light use. Hell I don't think people are even taught in driving school what fog lights are designed for as most cars sold here don't come with them equipped. I see people driving around with european cars (typically your Audi/BMW/VW) with the rear fog light on in middle of a nice summer day who probably don't even realize they put it on they just pull the fog stalk all the way out as that "turns their lights on!  " . (I'm sure it's similar in the USA)
There are rules regarding adequate lighting but don't think you can get an infraction for "adding" more as long as it's not distracting or blinding other drivers. 
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rsbadura
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In Germany all new cars and trailers since 1991 must have rear fog lights. To much multi-vehicle accidents at bad sight...
The usage of the rear fog light is restricted if free sight is less than 50 m (165 feet) only by fog. Otherwise you pay a certain fine ~ $25 - $35 because of the glare.
That's why the fog light switch is illuminated at rear fog light usage as a warning - and switched on only after the front fog light are already on.
The usage of the front fog light is also restricted - but could be used at bad sight conditions caused by fog, rain, snow, dust, ... and not only at 50 m free sight.
but some few car drivers are also in Germany to stupid and drive always with full illumination
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jtauxe
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Original fog lights |
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I am unacquainted with the motor-vehicle lighting & use regulations in New Mexico, but here in Great Britain and probably the European Union also, it would be illegal to wire-up rear fog lamps, so that they were permanently illuminated, whenever the rear 5 W tail lights were illuminated.
Keeping the rear fog light illuminated under conditions other than reduced visibility (defined as less than circa 100 metres), would be subject to a fine and maybe even 3 penalty points on one's driving licence. Collect 12 penalty points over a given period and one's licence would be suspended! |
We're all just Wild West out here!
Inspections? We don't need no stinking inspections!
And frankly, rules be damned, if it makes me more visible on the road, I'm all for it.
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Original fog lights |
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| rsbadura wrote: |
| In Germany all new cars and trailers since 1991 must have rear fog lights. To much multi-vehicle accidents at bad sight... |
This has been a requirement on newly-registered British cars and trailers, since 1979/80.
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We're all just Wild West out here!
Inspections? We don't need no stinking inspections!
And frankly, rules be damned, if it makes me more visible on the road, I'm all for it. |
I find this attitude rather disturbing! 
Damn the French and the French navy, for interfering in our 18th Century, New England colonial disputes!
Still, we got our own back, when superior ships (including the newly introduced copper bottoms  ) & gunnery got the better of them, after they tried to invade our Caribbean colonies, and as a consequence the French population rebelled against the French monarchy (who went to the guillotine), who had bankrupted them as a consequence.
I would strongly advocate regular, rigorous road-worthiness inspections and certifications in ALL countries of the World. When they are absent, the incidence of inadequate maintenance is all too evident! We cannot rely upon random on-road police inspections to curb this.
Fortunately, British police can interrogate the on-line national database in real time, which flags-up whether any British-registered vehicles passing the checkpoint, have a valid MOT road-worthiness certificate, motor-insurance and road-tax payment. In the future, this might also apply to European Union registered vehicles, if it doesn't already.
With luck, North American authorities might gradually be changing their attitudes.
http://www.garageboy.com/fahrt/fog.html
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/rulings/glare.html
http://definitelymotoring.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/too-many-people-mis-use-fog-lights.html
http://www.swiftcover.com/about/press/fog-lights/
http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/richardstevenson/entry/why_do_drivers/
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/motorists-mis...14411.html
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Stuartzickefoose
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Original fog lights |
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Go away ...this horse is dead. I apprise your knowledge Nigel but let's get back to original fog lights rather then rules and regulations.
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jtauxe
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Original fog lights |
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| jtauxe wrote: |
We're all just Wild West out here!
Inspections? We don't need no stinking inspections! |
I find this attitude rather disturbing! |
Please note that my tongue is firmly in my cheek, there. As an engineer, I'm all for inspections. You should see some of the horrible rides people have around here. But I forgive them because they are poor.
As for my rides, they are safe and well-maintained, even if the rear fog light (the likes of which I have never seen on any vehicle in North America, mind you) seems out of place.
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richparker
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: Original fog lights |
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| jtauxe wrote: |
We're all just Wild West out here!
Inspections? We don't need no stinking inspections! |
I find this attitude rather disturbing! |
Please note that my tongue is firmly in my cheek, there. As an engineer, I'm all for inspections. You should see some of the horrible rides people have around here. But I forgive them because they are poor.
As for my rides, they are safe and well-maintained, even if the rear fog light (the likes of which I have never seen on any vehicle in North America, mind you) seems out of place. |
No inspections, safety or smog, here either and it's totally awesome! If it has a title you can register it with only a piece of paper. Gotta love the Wild Wild West of the US.
I had a Volvo once with factory rear fog lights. At the time I lived in Buffalo where it snows a lot and I often used them.
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NASkeet
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I have an aluminium switch-panel, substituted in place of the dashboard's central ash tray, incorporating six 20 mm, square-section, push-button switches (cost just a few pounds for the set of eight), salvaged from a Citroën Visa car; two of which have emblems and integral orange-lensed, tell-tale warning lamps, for front & rear fog lamps.
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