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J0HN---H
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 Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:08 am Post subject: Advise Needed 21 Window |
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I am looking at a 21 Deluxe Samba with a rag top but need some advise. The M tag is missing but it still has the body stamp and body tag on it.
Is there a way to know in this is a true Samba just by the body number? The owner does not have birth certificates for it and said it has been his for many years.
Thank you in advance. |
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sled
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:41 am Post subject: Re: *** Advise Needed 21 Window *** |
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| J0HN---H wrote: |
Is there a way to know in this is a true Samba just by the body number? |
technically, no there is not. Without a birth certificate or matching (original) m-code plate, there isn't 100% certainty.
that being said, if the bus is patina/original paint, then one could be reasonably sure its an original 21 window.
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turkis-deluxe
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:44 am Post subject: Re: *** Advise Needed 21 Window *** |
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| Also look for belly pans to make sure they are original. If they've been removed for some reason look for the main wiring loom will be in a metal tube and not exposed like non-sunroof buses. |
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Clara 
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:08 am Post subject: Re: *** Advise Needed 21 Window *** |
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| J0HN---H wrote: |
I am looking at a 21 Deluxe Samba with a rag top but need some advise. The M tag is missing but it still has the body stamp and body tag on it.
Is there a way to know in this is a true Samba just by the body number? The owner does not have birth certificates for it and said it has been his for many years.
Thank you in advance. |
21 window buses don't have a body number. 1958 and earlier buses have a body number ( behind front seat) which is not the same as a VIN.
The number stamped in the engine compartment is the VIN.
Beginning in the 1965 model year (August 1964), the VIN/chassis number begins with the 2-digit model number, i.e. 21 for Panelvans, 23 for Kombis, etc.
So if the VIN starts with 23, sounds like a kombi with a roof clip.
If the VIN starts with 24 or 25, the VIN is for a deluxe, but that does not tell you if it was a sunroof or tin top deluxe.
Also check the VIN tag on the air vent and make sure it matches. I did once get a clipped 21 window with a different VIN in the engine compartment to the VIN tag on the fresh air vent.
read this:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/id.php
x2 on og paint making it easier to tell.
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J0HN---H
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:39 am Post subject: Re: *** Advise Needed 21 Window *** |
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| Thank you, this is very informative and helpful. |
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