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Wellington Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2004 Posts: 1880 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:58 pm Post subject: trailer axle with 112 hubs |
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I think I need to make a trailer to haul my camping gear, room in the van is scarce, and I'd like less stuff "unattached" in the van.
So I'm thinking to use the same bolt pattern as the van, this way it can be a common spare. What is the easiest way to accomplish this? Rear axle off a Jetta maybe?
Likely I will want a custom width, so an entire axle may not be ideal, but maybe cut and welded, or are there hub assemblies that can be unbolted and I can attach them to my own fabricated axle? |
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Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50216
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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I have no idea if the spindle matches anything that is available from a place that sells trailer stuff. If not maybe you could take an off the shelf spindle and have it machined to match the front Vanagon spindles. With a bit of careful welding to build your axle you could then use Vanagon front hubs and wheels.
A lot of trailers have been built be just welding a pair of front steering knuckle/spindle assemblies to a piece of pipe or tubing. |
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newfisher Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2012 Posts: 1764 Location: The wet spot--Oregon
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Not to implicate anyone or to admit unsafe practices
I have found that Ford pattern is very close to a STEEL vanagon wheel. I have also had trailer hubs redrilled and pressed in new studs for different wheel patterns. A common trailer supply axle in the width you are looking for if different than stock rear golf jetta etc wod be the best option and having the hubs redrilled. Slighly modifying steel wheels to accept the ford pattern would be the less safe option. |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15119 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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the vanagon rear bearing carrier housing only bolts on with 4 22mm bolts.
yuo can even incorporate the Ebrake if you are clever.. keep the trailer from rolling down hill when unhooked.
just find a parts van or in a junkyard and shouldn't cost much $
then you can have a fabricator make an end plate on a trailer pipe to accept the hubs. .
I have a military m416 trailer i'm planning to do this to for the axle _________________
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Wellington Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2004 Posts: 1880 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:22 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for suggestions.
I haven't seen trailer hubs with a large enough diameter to accept a 112mm pattern. Using the rear hubs off a vanagon is what my initial idea was, but Vanagons in the scrap here just don't exist, and Vanagon hubs seem to demand premium $$. Hence my inquiry of alternative vehicle hubs. |
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clift_d Samba Member
Joined: December 02, 2012 Posts: 265 Location: Hackney innit, UK
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:23 am Post subject: |
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You can either buy trailer axles / hubs in 5 x 112 if you're building it yourself, or use an already built trailer and fit a set of adaptors to allow you to put 5 x 112 wheels on it. _________________ 1988 LHD T25 1.6TD Westfalia Club Joker syncro |
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rubbachicken Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2004 Posts: 3058 Location: socal
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:30 am Post subject: |
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i had thought of using rear B5 passat hubs, they are smaller and lighter than vanagon, and still 5x112 _________________ lucy our westy
lucy's BIG adventure
meet 'burni'
markswagen {mobile mechanic} san diego area all early VW's cared for.
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15119 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:25 am Post subject: |
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cheap, free, easy those don't exist in this hobby
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i had thought of using rear B5 passat hubs, they are smaller and lighter than vanagon, and still 5x112 |
I'll have to investigate that as I have a B5 passat headed to scrap shortly this summer.
Wellington, there are a couple guys in VT who part/scrap vans on occasion.. watch the classifieds.. or contact them directly. it's not a common removal item.
here's a vanagon rear hub for the unfamiliar
from this ad: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1792790
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MarkWard Samba Member
Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 16972 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:25 am Post subject: |
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If you did step up and use vanagon bearing housings, in theory you'd be bringing along spares that could in a bind be used to get the vanagon rolling.
Also, you could incorporate the vanagon trailing arms shocks and springs into your custom trailer frame and end up with a very terrain adaptable trailer. _________________ ☮️ |
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:34 am Post subject: |
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I just bought a 4500lbs axle with 5x112 hubs attached, done deal. |
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hdenter Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2008 Posts: 2749 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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How about finding a rear torsion tube and trailing arms from an IRS bug. Graft on the Vanagon hubs to the trailing arms, weld the tube to a trailer frame
and away you go.
Hans _________________ '79 triple white convertible bug
'84 sunroof vanagon
'85 weekender |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12102 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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The rear torsion tube assembly from a '71 and up Bay bus would already have the 5x112 rear hubs |
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hdenter Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2008 Posts: 2749 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm, I'm too rusty on Bay Windows to remember, is that tube totally integrated into the body or would it be easy to cut out?
Hans _________________ '79 triple white convertible bug
'84 sunroof vanagon
'85 weekender |
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hdenter Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2008 Posts: 2749 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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How do the brakes and other rear wheel parts of the Bay compare to Vanavon's?
Hans _________________ '79 triple white convertible bug
'84 sunroof vanagon
'85 weekender |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12102 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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From memory the rear brakes are very similar to T3s, except they don't have the automatic adjusting bits. If a bug torsion tube can be cut out, I don't see why a bus version couldn't as well. The added width would probably be better for a trailer, too |
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rubbachicken Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:12 am Post subject: |
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this is the passat B5 rear hub, this one is from an AWD passat, but you get the idea
if you were to get the whole lot, rotor, caliper cable etc, it's much lighter that vanagon rear brakes _________________ lucy our westy
lucy's BIG adventure
meet 'burni'
markswagen {mobile mechanic} san diego area all early VW's cared for.
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termuehlen Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2012 Posts: 985 Location: Redwood City
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:09 am Post subject: |
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There are a lot of small trailer options out there if you are only looking to pull some camping gear (a few hundred pounds?). You could probably save a lot of weight by pulling something that is made to be light, even if you have to buy it with a spare tire/wheel on the trailer.
Here is one starting point....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Pull-Behind-Motorcycle...1150092348
It may not serve your purpose, but you get the idea. It only weighs 153# with a capacity of 300#. _________________ 1988 Westfalia automatic Subaru OBD1
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Wellington Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2004 Posts: 1880 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the input and ideas.
Those B5 hubs look promising.
Termuehlen:
That is kind of my idea, more specifically I'm looking at a "Denray" style of fiberglass motorcycle trailer. They come with 8" tiny trailer wheels, I'd like to consider something bigger even with a low profile tire, and yes I'd likely have to re-glass the fender wells. |
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morymob Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2007 Posts: 4683 Location: east-tn
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Rear hub assys from a late bay ready made to be bolted to a frame(?) Could even have braking sys hooked up. |
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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15119 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:29 am Post subject: |
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the weight of the vanagon hub is on the axle and rests on the ground.. sure you have to pull it up the hill but it's stout. and will bolt onto an axle quite easy.
the bay rear hub assembly does NOT bolt on as easy (the bolt surface is angled) and is heavier than the vanagon's hub assembly
the B5 hub is promising. but if it's an AWD rear hub make sure you have a stub axle in there or it will ruin the bearings in short order.
I will look into the B5 (fwd) rear hubs this month as I have one that's going to parts anyways.
Insyncro, where/what trailer axle/hub assembly did you source?
bay bus
vanagon (large image)
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/161666558549-0-1/s-l1000.jpg _________________
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