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flaquito1 Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2010 Posts: 53 Location: Hesperia, California
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:10 am Post subject: 2.0 L Distributor |
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I have recently converted a 1974 Bay Window Riviera from a 1700 cc to a 2000 cc (1982 crate motor) with Kadrons and am wondering what the correct distributor (dual vacuum) would be to run on this engine set-up. The engine runs ok at highway speeds after it reaches those speeds but is sluggish at start-up and accelerates too slowly which I am attributing to improper advance curve. The distributor on the engine now is a 009 with points/condenser. The timing has been set according to factory specs and all other adjustments have been made. The engine performs similar to the 1600 single port that I had in my 1969 Bay Window that had the same distributor...Sluggish off idle and through acceleration but ok at highway speed, except trying to accelerate quickly. The 1600 of course should have had a vacuum diaphragm. I think that the 2.0 with carburetion should also but I am wanting the correct model distributor (preferably an original Bosch) so the advance curve will agree with the engine. Thanks for any assistance with this issue. BTW, the camshaft/valve train are stock for the 1982 Vanagon from the factory. |
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chompy Samba Member
Joined: August 12, 2014 Posts: 400 Location: Cascade Locks
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:52 am Post subject: |
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I think it would want a single vacuum distributor.
Vanagon Federal 1980-1983 * 2000
Note: This Distributor also fits Type 4 (412) 1974
Distributor: VW 022-905-205S, Bosch 0231 170 093
Note: VW 021-905-205P, Bosch 022-905-205S, 0231 168 005
Can Use:
Points: 01 011
Condensor: 02 074
Rotor: 04 033
Dust Cover: 039-905-241, Bosch 1230 500 139 > 1230 500 147
Cap: 03 010
Distributor Cap Clip: 034-905-265, Bosch 1231 251 033
Parts Kit (Shims, Washers & Hardware): 059-998-211, Bosch 1237 010 007
Coil: 00 012
Vacuum Can: 07 060
Ignition Wires: 09 171
Spark Plug: W8CC
Timing Set At:: 7.5deg BTDC @ 850-950 rpm (Man Trans), 900-1000 rpm (Auto Trans) w/strobe, vacuum hose connected. (Bentley Table on Page 28.3 incorrectly states with hose disconnected).
Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum: 8-12deg Adv @ 7.9 In. Hg; Centrifugal: 9-14deg @ 1600 rpm, 21-25deg @ 3400 rpm
Check out http://www.oldvolkshome.com/ovhignbo.htm and http://www.oldvolkshome.com/ignition.htm#V8083FD
It has some good info _________________ '81 Westfalia Subaru EJ22
Manual Transmission |
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borninabus Samba R&D Dept.
Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4538 Location: Arizona Highways
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:32 am Post subject: |
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the 009 was not a "factory" disrtributor so there is no "factory spec" for timing it.
use a strobe and set it to 30 degrees BTDC at max advance.
are your kads ported for vacuum? _________________ 88 Van WBX, A/T - 13 JSW TDI 6M/T - 2012 Touareg TDI Sport |
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NobyDoby Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2012 Posts: 101 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:19 am Post subject: |
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Use a programmable distributor (like a 123ignition or CB Blackbox) with vacuum connection (if you have ported vacuum on your Kadrons). Take the curve of a CT, CV or CU engine as a start (205P) is also close. Don't use old distributors with old vacuum cans because the will not be accurate anymore (old worn springs/diaframs). And avoid dual vacuum cans if your are not bound to emissions laws: they will make your engine harder to start. _________________ 1980 Aircooled Type 4 CU 2.0L T3 Westfalia:
Flowed AMC 39x33mm heads with Porsche swivel adjusters and CR 8.0:1
94mm Mahle dished P/C's & 71mm Stroke
Original VW CU Bus Hydro Cam w/Febi Hydro Followers
Dual Dellorto's DRLA 40 - 32 Venturi's
SyncLink Throttle System
MSS Central Airfilter
123Ignition Tune & NGK BP6ET
Vintage Speed Dual Side Super Flow Type 4 Exhaust |
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fiftytakedowns Samba Member
Joined: June 11, 2018 Posts: 31 Location: colorado
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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NobyDoby wrote: |
Use a programmable distributor (like a 123ignition or CB Blackbox) with vacuum connection (if you have ported vacuum on your Kadrons). Take the curve of a CT, CV or CU engine as a start (205P) is also close. Don't use old distributors with old vacuum cans because the will not be accurate anymore (old worn springs/diaframs). And avoid dual vacuum cans if your are not bound to emissions laws: they will make your engine harder to start. |
I read through your old posts and found it quite helpful that you were able to pick up a lot of torque and driveability out of your van through the distributor. I am considering this distributor too now. - Is it fully programmable, in the case I wanted to upgrade my fuel system in the future?
Thanks! _________________ TEAM USA Greco Roman Wrestling 67KG
www.mogotraining.com |
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NobyDoby Samba Member
Joined: March 03, 2012 Posts: 101 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:55 am Post subject: Re: 2.0 L Distributor |
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It is programmable by changing two curves (mechanical & vacuum). It doesn't have a programmable map that can be combined with a fuel injection map. Nor can it be connected to a programmable fuel system. It's completely standalone. _________________ 1980 Aircooled Type 4 CU 2.0L T3 Westfalia:
Flowed AMC 39x33mm heads with Porsche swivel adjusters and CR 8.0:1
94mm Mahle dished P/C's & 71mm Stroke
Original VW CU Bus Hydro Cam w/Febi Hydro Followers
Dual Dellorto's DRLA 40 - 32 Venturi's
SyncLink Throttle System
MSS Central Airfilter
123Ignition Tune & NGK BP6ET
Vintage Speed Dual Side Super Flow Type 4 Exhaust |
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