Sea Blue experts/nerds req'd... 2 different versions?

[dave123]

I phoned up PPG over here in Aus and it blew there minds as well! Gave them the 2 different ppg/ditzler codes but they only have 1 recipe/formula (under code L360) so i guess i'll just get what i get and be happy

[AlteWagen]

[AlteWagen]

Just finished reading the other sea blue posts, I was confused by the remarks regarding the #1 looking darker and greener and #2 looking more blue. I took my chip sheet out in the sun to take a closer look. The #1 looks darker and more blue, the #2 looks lighter and has more of a turq shade to it.

I think the info on the back of the chip sheet gives a clue to what got what.

On the back my chip sheet it shows years that specific colors were available.

Sea Blue L360 1960-1966
Sea Blue 2 L360 1963-1967

I think early type Is, ghia, and busses got #1. In 63 type I, ghia and Type III got #2. Busses continued to get #1 til 66.

Here is the back side of the chip sheet online

Its a bit more confusing, it shows SB#1 for 60-61 and SB#2 for 64-65. I have seen 66 type I in SB#2 so maybe this is an early sheet.

I think both of these sheets help confirm the #2 greener version was used on later type I and III. SB#2 on type IIs is still up in the air.

Anyone have an original paint 1967 Type II with sea blue #2?? Pics?

One more thing to consider for type I, Gulf Blue L390 was also listed for 1960-1964. It is very close to SB#2 but has more of a gray color instead of the green hue. I owned a euro 62 type I that was gulf blue and a export 63 that was also gulf blue, both original paint. People tried to tell me that it was sea blue but when parked next to a SB#2 car it was different.

[W1K1]

My 61 is painted sea blue L360 not sea blue #2
Depending on the light it can look anywhere from blue to green.
Hope that helps

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[Doubledoor Dave]

Here's my 1965, euro, Sea Blue/Blue White, original paint bus. I guess this is what is being called "Sea blue #2". It does seem to change a lot with different lighting.

[dave123]

Feck me i'm confused now

[AlteWagen]

The repainted 61 does NOT look like SB#1. The 65 bus looks more like SB#1 but the owner says it is #2.

Here is a pic of the last bit of SB1 on my glove box door. Funny, with the flash it looks greener than when in the sun where it looks more dark blue.

In the sun it looks more like the dark blue closer to the white moulding clip button. I took a longer exposure due it being night. Tomorrow I will try to take a pic using sun only.

[dave123]

[krautwaggen]

Comparing paint via digital photos on a computer screen is less than effective. It'll look different on every screen out there. Then you have the light during the time the photo was taken and how the particular camera processed it compared to another camera. Only if you have the two colors in question in the same photo (like on one of those paint sheets in an earlier post) will you be able to compare two colors, although they will still not be a true representation of the actual colorl
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[BarryL]

Here's some sea blue #1 from paint chips I have, photo taken in cloudy sky, all from the same angle and spot.

First is Ditzler, second is DuPont, and third is off a '65 bus gas door.

[AlteWagen]

do any of the bus guys have a color sticker? Some stock red bus colors have had hybrid or abbreviated color codes, sea blue the same? M codes??

any of the bug guys have a birth certificate??

as for the bus cover, I vote SB1

[AlteWagen]

This has been keeping me up at night now.

This is what I think so far, if someone has a vehicle with something else (in original paint) please post a pic, birth cert, or some other documentation.


Type I
1964-1967 Sea Blue #2

Type II
1965-1966 Sea Blue #1


edit: Saw a 1967 in person with og paint and it def was SB#1.

Looks like SB#1 is for Type II and SB#2 is for Type I.

Only Indigo Blue is avail for 1960
Only Gulf Blue avail for 1961-1963.
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[dave123]

[dave123]

Going back to my original post, i would say that my test panel is Sea Blue no. 2...?

[BarryL]

[dave123]

this sheet shows L361 as Slate Blue...

[AlteWagen]

[.65vw]

This drove me crazy trying to figure out a few months back. #1 is for the Bug per previous posts, #2 for the Bus.

I have a one owner 65 Bug and its the original Seablue color from the factory.

I am restoring a 65 VW and had it painted the L360 Seablue (its original color too. It had been repainted an off green from original). When it was newly painted the color didnt match my original Bug. Kind of makes you queazy.

In some pictures I have in certian light the colors between the two bugs is exact, in other pictures and light the colors are off.

I concluded that time and color changes, lighting angles, and as mentioned variations in the mixing all can make the Sea Blue color seem off between VW's. For an exact match take in an existing part.

Here is a link to the 2 65 Bugs with SeaBlue paint. The one with the plates, Bug 1, is the original factory Sea Blue, the other, Bug 2, is the newly L360 painted one.

http://picasaweb.google.com/pbjensen/Bug2April2009CleaningTheDustOff#


BTW, L466 new does not at all match L466 faded. Faded L466 is very white and not at all beige. Color matching is a pain.

[dave123]