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Traveling Writer Samba Scribe
Joined: May 07, 2006 Posts: 1112 Location: Florence, Italy
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:46 am Post subject: Correct Dip Switch Settings VDO Tachometer |
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I couldn't figure out how to edit an older post's title, so I made a new one for the next poor sap who has to rely on VDO's instructions...
THESE INSTRUCTIONS ARE WRONG
For a 4-cyl VW, do just the opposite: 123, UP DOWN DOWN (OFF ON ON)
Beware the dip switches seem to be installed upside down, too. So turn the tach upside down so the numbers read properly before setting!
Using a #1N4007 diode (not #1N4005, tho that might work, too) makes the needle as steady as a rock. Diode in line from negative terminal of coil to tach; white line on diode goes toward the tach.
Cheers! _________________ Cheers,
Davi
1977 2.0 FI Westy
2011 1200cc Yamaha Super Tenere
1976 Feet (they work surprisingly well) |
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telford dorr Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2009 Posts: 3551 Location: San Diego (Encinitas)
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:49 am Post subject: Re: Correct Dip Switch Settings VDO Tachometer |
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Traveling Writer wrote: |
Diode in line from negative terminal of coil to tach; white line on diode goes toward the tach. |
To be clear, that's the cathode end of the diode towards the tach? |
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ScottK Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2004 Posts: 1748 Location: Avilla America
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, the line on a diode is the cathode end. |
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Jody '71 Samba Member
Joined: July 16, 2005 Posts: 2842 Location: Manassas VA
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. So, the instructions they are supplying now are still wrong????? _________________ '66 Beetle
2011 Hyundai Elantra Touring |
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Cptn. Calzone Samba Member
Joined: June 27, 2007 Posts: 1855 Location: S>E>Alabama
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject: VDO Gauge Tach |
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I called them (VDO)yesterday and recieved the correct info, and indeed my tach was set up per the old wrong information. _________________ 71 westfalia
67 912 Porsche Quintilla
67 Single Cab aka my work horse |
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Air_Cooled_Nut Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2004 Posts: 3040 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Correct Dip Switch Settings VDO Tachometer |
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telford dorr wrote: |
Traveling Writer wrote: |
Diode in line from negative terminal of coil to tach; white line on diode goes toward the tach. |
To be clear, that's the cathode end of the diode towards the tach? |
Just to be clear, the cathode end of the diode is the white line? _________________ Toby http://www.aircoolednut.com/
Did I mention that I'm an original Darksider?
'72 VW Squareback, 2007cc, GB 5-speed, rag top; '76 VW Riviera Penthouse Sundowner 2.0L; 2015 Audi S5 Cabby w/Stage II APR; '06 Ducati Sport Classic 1000; '14 Ducati Diavel Strada
The First Invasion |
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SteveStevieStevens Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2006 Posts: 105 Location: Boise, ID
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:11 am Post subject: |
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So the picture from VDO above is confusing me. UP/DOWN is all relative to how you're holding the guage, and the ON/OFF is wrong anyway. I believe the switches should look like this:
Since the DIP switches are installed upside down I'm using the printed data on the switch itself. This way switches are:
1 = OFF
2 = ON
3 = ON
When using the ON orientation printed on the black DIP switch itself.
Is that correct? |
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Krautski Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2009 Posts: 874 Location: WA
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:37 am Post subject: |
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I wired and set mine up as per their instructions and it worked.
Is everyone else not getting any function at all, or just a bouncy needle? _________________ BUS FOR SALE
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I stopped reading after volksaru and busaru |
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SteveStevieStevens Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2006 Posts: 105 Location: Boise, ID
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:10 am Post subject: |
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SteveStevieStevens wrote: |
So the picture from VDO above is confusing me. UP/DOWN is all relative to how you're holding the guage, and the ON/OFF is wrong anyway. I believe the switches should look like this:
Since the DIP switches are installed upside down I'm using the printed data on the switch itself. This way switches are:
1 = OFF
2 = ON
3 = ON
When using the ON orientation printed on the black DIP switch itself.
Is that correct? |
So according to telford's instructions on another VDO tach DIP switch post I have this backwards. It should be 1 = ON, 2&3 = OFF. I'll try this this weekend and see if it works. Current settings do not. |
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telford dorr Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2009 Posts: 3551 Location: San Diego (Encinitas)
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: |
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As I mentioned in the other thread, VDO seems to be using two different types of switches: one has 'on' in the up position, the other has 'on' in the down position. So if your tach isn't responding correctly, the quick fix method is to flip all switches to their opposite position.
No points to VDO for this mix-n-match parts screw-up - pick a switch supplier and stick with them! _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
'Experience' is the ability to recognize a mistake when you're making it again - Franklin P. Jones
In theory, theory works in practice; in practice, it doesn't - William T. Harbaugh
When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. The pain is only felt by others.
Same thing happens when you're stupid. - Philippe Geluck
More VW electrical at http://telforddorr.com/ (available 9am to 9pm PST) |
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SteveStevieStevens Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2006 Posts: 105 Location: Boise, ID
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Flipping the switches did the trick. The Tach wasn't reading over 200 RPM, I switched all the switches to the opposite position and now it's almost dead on with my Dwell/Tach meter. Needle is rock steady without the diode fix too. |
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Chazbot Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2009 Posts: 197 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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I'm also having a problem with my recent tach purchase and the switches. I triple checked the instructions and tried both configurations just to be safe. one up and two down, one down and two up.
In one position it reads between 200 and 1200 rpms and in the other it shows me 1200 to 7000. I have my hand held tach hooked up and estimate I'm about 40% over the actual RPMs. The thing is that the calibration dial does not have enough adjustment to compenstate.
The needle is not rock steady. There is some fluxuation. But I'm not sure a diode will take care of it. Does a diode lower the readings to some degree? That might explain the lack of accuracy. Any input would be welcome. |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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consider putting the diode in the back off the coll. That way you won't get any bounce out of the line that might confuse a ECU if FI or an electronic ignition. The diode stops the signal from bouncing back and forth. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Chazbot Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2009 Posts: 197 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Just some closure on this one folks. I did get the diode installed and was quite surprised with the change and stability of the tach. I would not have called the needle "bouncing" rather it simply read about twice the normal rpms but was clearly unsteady. It would be nice to get an scope reading on that signal before and after.
Looks like it is working properly now. I may need to make an adjustment still but the needle is stable and I'm pretty happy with it overall.
I'm running a single port 1600 and it appears to be at 3000 rpms at 68 mph.
I ran extra wires to the back in a newly created harness with braided protection. Looking forward to temp and pressure gauges next.
Thanks for all the feedback and support folks! You are all the best...
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 9:00 am Post subject: |
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I think that the signal from the coil is bouncing back and forth in the wire because of the long distance and that is throwing the tach off. The diode only lets the pulse travel in one direction and stops the bouncing back and forth. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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BumbleBus Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2009 Posts: 483 Location: Montana
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:00 am Post subject: |
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My dwell/tach analyzer ~800rpm idle is reading ~2200rpm on my freshly installed VDO tach. Time to start monkeying around to find the right dip switch settings. I had them like listed above in this thread, but that's not working. If I had hair I'd be pulling it out. I'm just glad the damn gauge is reading anything at this point. _________________ '72 L11H Campmobile in various stages of disrepair. Just bumbling along... |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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BumbleBus wrote: |
My dwell/tach analyzer ~800rpm idle is reading ~2200rpm on my freshly installed VDO tach. Time to start monkeying around to find the right dip switch settings. I had them like listed above in this thread, but that's not working. If I had hair I'd be pulling it out. I'm just glad the damn gauge is reading anything at this point. |
did you add a diode? If not that will probably solve your issue. It will read way off and unstable without the diode. I know that we we ran up against it I read all the articles, paperwork etc and was very careful to follow the directions. It was still way off whereas my test tach/dwell meter was right on. Added a diode with a set of alligator clips just to see if things improved and like magic everything was fine - my guess is that the long wire is creating an echo and the diode stops it. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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BumbleBus Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2009 Posts: 483 Location: Montana
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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SGKent wrote: |
did you add a diode |
Not yet, but I'm reading about it right now. I set it to On On Off for 8cyl and now it's within ~50-100rpm of my meter. The needle is fairly bouncy though so it's gonna be the diode for sure I bet. _________________ '72 L11H Campmobile in various stages of disrepair. Just bumbling along... |
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BumbleBus Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2009 Posts: 483 Location: Montana
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Radio Shack didn't have the 1N4007, but I got a 1N4005, which worked a peach and the needle is smooth now. If you do the exact opposite dip switch for 4 cylinder that's in the VDO guide it works.. for me at least. Sheesh. I still think it's reading a couple hundo fast, but my el crapo tach analyzer may have a weak battery or something also.
Nice to have a tach. _________________ '72 L11H Campmobile in various stages of disrepair. Just bumbling along... |
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Vince Waldon Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2010 Posts: 451 Location: Edmonton, Alberta
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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In case Search ever leads someone here in the future... anything in the 1N4XXX diode series (1N4001 to 1N4007) should work just fine. They only differ in allowable peak reverse voltage, starting at 50V and going up to 1000V.
http://www.diodes.com/datasheets/ds28002.pdf
Having said that, there can be some funky voltages going on at the coil as the condenser ages, so when in doubt get the biggest numbered diode, if given a choice. |
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