Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts  See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
Syncro fuel tank removal, reseal and SS strap install
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Forum Index -> Vanagon Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
7thing3
Samba Member


Joined: April 05, 2003
Posts: 473
Location: Cleveland, OH
7thing3 is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alaric.H wrote:
7thing3 wrote:
Did you do that with tank in or out of vehicle?
No it was in the van.


I was only able to get about 1/2 of my nuts to turn, and that was some of the easier ones to access. I'll have to do it by dropping the tank, dremeling bolts, etc.

Need to redo the straps, etc. anyways.
_________________
'73 Thing--Ted
'77 Super Beetle Convertible
'87 Vanagon GL Syncro
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Gallery Classifieds Feedback
hans j
Samba Member


Joined: May 06, 2006
Posts: 2552
Location: Salt Lake City UT
hans j is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:46 am    Post subject: Re: Syncro fuel tank removal, reseal and SS strap install Reply with quote

HeftySmurf wrote:

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.



I am resigned to the fact I am going to have to do this very soon since both my tank straps are completely rusted through Sad Is there any list of the replacement parts before I spend 2 hours looking on ETKA?

I have to pull the engine anyway for a slight leak from my rear main, and so I figure I may as well go all the way and take care of the straps too.
_________________
1986 Canadian Syncro Westy TDI - 1989 Syncro Single Cab - 2001 Audi S4 - 1981 VW Caddy ABA - 1980 VW Caddy EV - 1973 VW T-181
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Gallery Classifieds Feedback
CdnVWJunkie Premium Member
Samba Member


Joined: February 01, 2004
Posts: 987
Location: Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
CdnVWJunkie is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here you go:

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=979143
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Joe75
Samba Member


Joined: February 21, 2005
Posts: 254
Location: New Zealand
Joe75 is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought I would add my photos ...

With the tranny out I thought it might be a good time to sort out any other problems. The tank has leaked for ages and the straps look very rusted. So I decided to drop the tank. What a sh..t job. Diesel, coolant and 25yr old dirt and mud in ya face! Do people normally remove the sender gauge first? Mine got hooked up on the chassis rail stopping the tank from dropping down. After lots of bad words a large pry bar and jack I got it out. Anyway, its out...

As you can see i have had a leak for a while from the filler hose.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


The metal part where you fill the tank has been badly welded in the past and was leaking.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


The sender works but along with the tank straps is very corroded. Plus I think the sender should have a pickup tube on the end of it?
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


So it looks like a load of new parts? Being based in New Zealand i need to look all over the world with deep pockets I should get another 25yrs out of it! Not complaining at the part costs, just happy people still make em, its just postage costs...


-filler neck (stainless) Brickwerks UK
-filler neck rubber hose (only found on van cafe web site) expensive for a rubber hose?
-sender unit kit. Van Cafe and Go Westy
-tanks straps (stainless) Many suppliers
-tanks re-seal kit Van cafe Go Westy.

So do i put the sender in first or refit the tank then install the sender unit?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
minsk
Samba Member


Joined: March 17, 2008
Posts: 879
Location: pittsburgh
minsk is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks awesome hefty
_________________
1987 Sunroof Syncro
1988 Vanagon GL
2009 audi a3

www.sunroofsyncro.com
vanagonmechanic.com

http://facebook.com/pittsburghvanagonclub
https://www.youtube.com/minskmade


my super slow 1987 sunroof syncro rebuild
https://goo.gl/photos/7e9MZhHJxGvvv1Tm7

VANAGON STICKERS
https://www.etsy.com/shop/pigeonink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Facebook Instagram Gallery Classifieds Feedback
minsk
Samba Member


Joined: March 17, 2008
Posts: 879
Location: pittsburgh
minsk is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is it ok to put mortons truck liner in the engine bay..or is that a no no
_________________
1987 Sunroof Syncro
1988 Vanagon GL
2009 audi a3

www.sunroofsyncro.com
vanagonmechanic.com

http://facebook.com/pittsburghvanagonclub
https://www.youtube.com/minskmade


my super slow 1987 sunroof syncro rebuild
https://goo.gl/photos/7e9MZhHJxGvvv1Tm7

VANAGON STICKERS
https://www.etsy.com/shop/pigeonink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address Facebook Instagram Gallery Classifieds Feedback
syncrodoka
Samba Member


Joined: December 27, 2005
Posts: 11269
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
syncrodoka is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe75 wrote:
So do i put the sender in first or refit the tank then install the sender unit?

I put in the sender then cut a big plastic soap detergent bottle and taped it to the DS frame member tightly with duct tape. That helped everything slide by the frame easier without digging into it too badly but a pair of pry bars were still used to persuade the tank into place- be very careful about the sender nipple.
Got a ebay account? http://www.ebay.ie/itm/VW-TRANSPORTER-T25-FUEL-FILLER-NECK-HOSE-251201143A-NEW-/130578791502

You have a lot of hackery in a small area from the PO on your van. Shocked
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
dkonzy
Samba Member


Joined: October 24, 2012
Posts: 142
Location: Kirkland
dkonzy is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am removing the AC from my rig (along with everything else) and wondering if the filter looking thing parallel to the fuel filter is. Looks like pressurized hose and is about the size of a can of soup. Bolts to the Frame with two bolts...


Some sort of AC filter or expansion tank?
_________________
1987 Syncro
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
syncrodoka
Samba Member


Joined: December 27, 2005
Posts: 11269
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
syncrodoka is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thing?
http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_799_1033/ac_receiverdrier.html
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
dkonzy
Samba Member


Joined: October 24, 2012
Posts: 142
Location: Kirkland
dkonzy is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks way nicer than mine but that's it!

Removing now...
_________________
1987 Syncro
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
dkonzy
Samba Member


Joined: October 24, 2012
Posts: 142
Location: Kirkland
dkonzy is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone know the measurement between the tank strap mounts on the firewall? I cut my bracket out and am fabricating a new one. Lining everything up...the SS straps do not seem to be lining up well with the shape of the bottom of the tank.

Big question: Do the straps stay square with the car (equal distance between hangers and firewall mounts)



Thanks!
_________________
1987 Syncro
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Farfrumwork
Samba Member


Joined: October 10, 2008
Posts: 692
Location: Mile High
Farfrumwork is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can get a measurement when I get back home.

I will say that I just finished installing my SS straps around my refurbed fuel tank in my on going syncro conversion.
I neglected the formed support, and made ~1.25" wide L-brakets out of angle steel that bolt through the bulkhead into the underseat compartment; I welded captive nuts onto the L-brackets and secured the SS straps to that.

Point being (for this discussion) - My L-brackets do NOT leave the strap mounting point in exactly the same location that the stock syncro had them. The straps are relatively close to being 'square' with the vehicle, but not perfect.

I have found that there is a lot of leeway with the fiting of the syncro fuel tank. Mine is SOLIDLY in there.

(btw - others have mounted their tanks this way in past 2wd-syncro conversions - most notably Syncroghia and Frankensubysyncro, 2 people that know vangons and USE them to the fullest)


I also found that I had to 'form' the SS straps to the tank a bit to get them to follow the tank shape. Makes sense realy as they are pretty much flat as you recieve them.


And man, that tank is NOT fun to work with. One of the more unpleasant tasks I have completed with the syncro conversion (and that's saying something)
_________________
sold Sad -> '85 Wolfsburg Syncro / 'Built' DOHC EJ25 (a great machine!)
'07 Legacy spec.B, road tuned stgII
'17 4x4 Sprinter, stone grey, SMB pop-top, on 33"s

"Blood stains, speed kills - Fast cars, cheap thrills - Rich girls, fine wine - I've lost my sense, I've lost control, I've lost my mind"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
SyncroGhia
Samba Member


Joined: August 21, 2009
Posts: 2444
Location: Highnam, UK
SyncroGhia is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thummmper wrote:
interesting--whats the capacity of that tranny saddle tank? my bentley is bereft of data.


70 litres.

Does anyone have a rubber seal for the fuel tank sender to hand? How thick is the rubber and what is the outside diameter of the seals?

Thanks in advance.

MG
_________________
T3 Syncro 16 S6 Westfalia Limey SOLD
T3 Syncro 6x6 SOLD
T3 RS6 Bluestar
T3 Tristar Syncro 16 SOLD
T3 Tristar Syncro RHD SOLD
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger Gallery Classifieds Feedback
VeeDubDaySpa
Samba Member


Joined: February 29, 2008
Posts: 342

VeeDubDaySpa is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I'm doing the same job smurf rocked out... I have a question regarding the set up of the fuel line rack. When I look at the Bentley, the T for the vent lines looks to be on the passenger side sending the non float valve, open line towards the fuel filler... In my set up I pulled, the T is on the passenger side with the open line going towards the charcoal canister, which sounds right to me?

Here is a photo of my rack I pulled:
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Any help is greatly appreciated as I'm hoping to make Syncrofest!
_________________
North American Hightop Installer/Distributor
Current stock (0)
_______________________________________
90 Syncro NAHT Vanagon
86 "Syncro" Van
87 Syncro tin top
84 1.6l Diesel Rabbit
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
VeeDubDaySpa
Samba Member


Joined: February 29, 2008
Posts: 342

VeeDubDaySpa is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bump
_________________
North American Hightop Installer/Distributor
Current stock (0)
_______________________________________
90 Syncro NAHT Vanagon
86 "Syncro" Van
87 Syncro tin top
84 1.6l Diesel Rabbit
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
dkoesyncro
Samba Member


Joined: December 10, 2006
Posts: 835

dkoesyncro is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your answers are on page 1 of this post, study the pics you'll be in good shape! Best of luck to you.

I feel like a broken record but......with all the dang farm bills pushing us into bio based fuels make sure your new lines are up to the task...and I mean dig. You may find your self talking to a German girl who really knows her fuel line tell you that yup that's fuel line but it won't support oxygenated or bio base. I made this $$ mistake and glad that i did. After all our vans do burn down too!

Check out the condition of your inter filter (screen) and submersible fuel line. Fas has this http://www.foreignautosupply.com/parts-accessories/39-syncro-in-tank-fitting/#.U1XDnlVdXAk
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
rmcd
Samba Member


Joined: October 29, 2010
Posts: 1071
Location: PNW - its a dry rain.
rmcd is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can the steel filler pipe be removed and replaced with the motor and syncro tank left in place? How is The pipe (#13 in picture) attached to the tank? Is it just a slip fitting into a rubber grommet?

I have a new sending unit that is leaking. It was installed when the motor was built. Anyone run into this before? Do the gaskets fail?

Thanks!

insyncro wrote:
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


This is the Late version.

_________________
Syncro panel van camper build
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=575458&highlight=
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
syncrodoka
Samba Member


Joined: December 27, 2005
Posts: 11269
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
syncrodoka is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sending unit can be serviced with the tank in place. Remove the charcoal canister and remove the bolts for the fuel filter and pull it out of the way.

I have never dealt with the filler pipe without removing everything so I cannot help there.

Aviation form-a-gasket from your local auto parts place is resistant to gasoline. It has worked well to fix a minor fuel smell that I had on my truck, I used it on the outer sender seal without issue.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
insyncro
Banned


Joined: March 07, 2002
Posts: 15087
Location: New York
insyncro is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Syncro that I built, but had a resealed tank and new sender in it before coming to my shop is now leaking when the temps drop below 30 degrees.

I do not know if an old gasket or any sealant was used during the install, but have not heard back from the owner since having it looked at locally.

Up until this point I have not had a weep from any sender, no matter how crusty or brand new.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
insyncro
Banned


Joined: March 07, 2002
Posts: 15087
Location: New York
insyncro is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rmcd wrote:
Can the steel filler pipe be removed and replaced with the motor and syncro tank left in place? How is The pipe (#13 in picture) attached to the tank? Is it just a slip fitting into a rubber grommet?

I have a new sending unit that is leaking. It was installed when the motor was built. Anyone run into this before? Do the gaskets fail?

Thanks!

insyncro wrote:
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


This is the Late version.


Yes, 13 is a slip fit at the tank.
It can be removed without much being removed along with it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Vanagon All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Page 3 of 4

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2020, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB