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79SuperVert
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 Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:17 am Post subject: Are '64-'67 fenders different from '62? |
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I always knew my 62's right front fender was a replacement, but only last weekend did I notice that the right front turn signal is further away from the body than the left front turn signal.
Did VW change the mounting hole location on the fender in '64 when they went to the larger turn signal? If so then my car's previous owners replaced the original '62 fender with a '64-'67 one.
So if The Samba gurus confirm that the fenders are different, I will start looking for an original '62 right fender. Your opinions, please. Thanks.
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woodyracing
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Aftermarket fenders vary so much. I have seen fenders where the headlights were not even. Best to get a matched set if you were to go aftermarket. There were differences in the location of the turn signal holes from the factory from year to year. I'd try to find a decent original if you can.
Those aftermarket fenders were meant to fit but may not be correct and do not have the same quality as original.
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glutamodo 
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Yes the mounting location DID change when they went to the larger turn signals in 1964. I did this little comparison shot right off the covers of the owner's manuals recently when we were talking about the size of the lights.
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glutamodo
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Yes the mounting location DID change when they went to the larger turn signals in 1964. I did this little comparison shot right off the covers of the owner's manuals recently when we were talking about the size of the lights.
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79SuperVert
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Great photos there. Thanks.
Now that is interesting, because it shows that the newer turn signals are CLOSER to the body than the old ones. I have the opposite problem. The turn signal on the replacement fender is FARTHER from the body. So it may well be I don't even have a VW replacement fender but a repop instead.
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HerrrKafer
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| glutamodo wrote: |
Yes the mounting location DID change when they went to the larger turn signals in 1964. I did this little comparison shot right off the covers of the owner's manuals recently when we were talking about the size of the lights.
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That is a nice, clear graphic, but the middle two dates should be 1963, not 64.
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jhicken
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Are '64-'67 fenders different from '62? |
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Joe, the difference in position between 58-63 and the 64-67 fenders is how forward the light is. The earlier/smaller lights mount farther forward, closer to the headlight than the '64-'67. The difference is significant.
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glutamodo
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| Dang you're right, I typo'd that bad! Fixed now though... thanks for catching it |
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79SuperVert
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| Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Are '64-'67 fenders different from '62? |
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Joe, the difference in position between 58-63 and the 64-67 fenders is how forward the light is. The earlier/smaller lights mount farther forward, closer to the headlight than the '64-'67. The difference is significant.
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Well, since both of my turn signals are the same distance forward, then I assume the replacement fender was a repop, and it may have come without the holes for the turn signal, in which case whoever drilled the holes for it didn't do it right.
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jhicken
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That's what it sounds like to me. I never noticed it before.
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79SuperVert
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Just another little bit of history to add to my lucky car. 
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old_n_slo
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I'll add these pics for discussion and input on distance back from the headlamp bucket. I believe both to be OG (gauge and fit) and the green fender on the left to be correct for a 65.
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raddler
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I'll add these pics for discussion and input on distance back from the headlamp bucket. I believe both to be OG (gauge and fit) and the green fender on the left to be correct for a 65.
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Could you measure the hole's Inqiuring minds want to know
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pdivizzle0112
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| so basically only the turn signal holes are different? |
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old_n_slo
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| raddler wrote: |
| Could you measure the hole's Inqiuring minds want to know.. |
Green =220cm, edge of the headlight bucket mounting "lip" to center of forward turn signal mounting hole.
Blue = 143cm, same reference points.
You can barely see those measurement in the photos. |
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obi-nu
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| pdivizzle0112 wrote: |
| so basically only the turn signal holes are different? |
No. The curvature of the wing changed from different years - earlier cars had a bigger curve/were wider than later ones and repros are much less curved - easy way to spot genuine from repro (well that and often the weight!) 
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