Type 3 Truck - the "other" vw

[dc]

Cool!
So what is #15 in the picture? Between the oil seal and the spindle - some sort of large seal?

Thanks- that was a fast shipping
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1963 Karmann Ghia

[ataraxia]

It's a paper gasket that almost no one uses.

If you really want them I have some NOS pieces...

[dc]

I'm DEFINITELY not worried about originality- just want it to work and look good doin' it.

So that seal doesn't real do anything...?
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1963 Karmann Ghia

[ataraxia]

It'll probably disintegrate after a decade but that's about it. It may have been made of a corrosion inhibiting paper but beyond that, I don't know what other purpose it'd serve.

I don't have them on my current car and haven't seen them on a car in a very long time because I think they just disappear over time.

[dc]

Got the front brake hardware all bolted in. Not too bad! I was concerned that the shoes and springs would be a pain- but I figured out how to do it. Tom is going to help me get the old races out of the drum hubs and the new stuff pressed in and greased....

Getting closer

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1963 Karmann Ghia

[Bobnotch]

Looking good Dave, looking good. Nice work there.
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120

[dc]

Got the drums packed with the new bearings and all back together. The shoes are adjusted back as far as they will go BUT there is still a slight drag on the drums...give it a good spin with the wheel/tire bolted on and it only rotates freely for 3-4 seconds. Is that normal Will it settle in? Do I need to modify the adjuster or shoes to make it work? Or just go ahead and bleed the brake fluid and try it out?
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1963 Karmann Ghia

[Bobnotch]

[dc]

[dc]

That was good - my daughter is home on Winter Break and just helped me bleed the brakes. Lots of crud in the lines and lots of air She was at the brake pedal and we went from no pedal to about 70% pedal.

Still not ALL bled but I'm not surprised - the whole front end braking system is new and the left rear wasn't really working before. I will cautiously test it in the driveway and see if it is driveable enough to get to a regular shop for a full bleed.

Used about 2/3 of a quart of DOT 3.

Weirdly - one of the front bleeders was 10mm head and the other was 11mm head - but both with the same threads. The rears were 7mm.

Car is sitting on all fours again! Hoo-ray
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1963 Karmann Ghia

[dc]

Houston we (may) have a problem...

So... when I hooked up the brake hoses to the new set-up, I should have screwed it into the LOWER wheel cylinder, not the UPPER cylinder... correct?
The upper port is for the bleeder this way.

I did it backwards
No wonder it's hard to bleed
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1963 Karmann Ghia

[ataraxia]

It shouldn't be a big deal to swap them but you will have to bleed again.

[Bobnotch]

[dc]

All together now - Had to seek pro help AND it's still not quite right - but I drove it around the neighborhood today. The air is out of the system after correctly routing the hoses.

May go lower with the stance, but I'm liking the 14" wheels on there.
So what's the problem?

It's leaking BRAKE fluid.... - after driving around it's pretty clear that the cylinders are leaking. The hoses and bleeders are dry. Can't see the cylinders with everything all bolted together so I'm not sure where it's coming from. Worse on on side. Can't work on it anymore for a while...

Only after I messed with this a couple of times did I read/realize that my DIY zeal did not help me remember/recognize that those pretty NOS Cylinder should have been re-conditioned/properly prepared BEFORE installation.

Now, I will likely have to pull it all apart OR pay someone else to pull it apart and find and address the leaks.
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1963 Karmann Ghia

[Mike Fisher]

I would lower it 1-2 inner splines in front! Maybe 1 in back? It's a truck but it should look/handle more like a sports car.
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69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold

Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up you end up with a lot of scum on the top! - Russ_Wolfe/Edward Abbey

[dc]

YES! Lower would be cool - I'm heading in that direction.
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1963 Karmann Ghia

[Donnie strickland]

Ouch. Yes, NOS cylinders look nice, but if more than 4-5 years old they need to be disassembled, cleaned, and reassembled with all new rubber before they can be used.

I might have missed this, but what was the reason for converting to early brakes? Just curious.
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71 Elm Green FI A/T Squareback

[dc]

Why wide five? I think it looks better - don’t care for four lug on early cars. Also had my eye on more options with 14” tires and wheels. Wanted to see how bus rims would work. Disc brakes are better and safer but that as not the deciding factor.

I will be patient- always a goal- and order some 22mm rebuild kits. I learned how to do this, which was good practice. I can do it again in a few days! I believe isp West has the kits...
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1963 Karmann Ghia

[dc]

Btw - went on another short drive around the neighborhood- no leaking. Or much less🤔
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1963 Karmann Ghia

[Bobnotch]

You could contact Jim Adney, as he's rebuilt some early wheel cylinders for Pedro. He might have some parts, or part numbers, or a place where you can get them. I don't know if Pedro supplied them, as I never asked either of them that question. I do know Jim had asked the list about them back when he was doing them for Pedro's early T-34 Ghia.
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120