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VisPacem
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 Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject: E-85, California Emissions and Old lace |
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Howdy folks
The old lace just sounded right for some reason. Anyway, I already asked that question on the Subaru-Tech Yahoo group and got very few useful response. I got the usual totally irrelevant responses from those who have difficulties with English, such as:
running E-85 is not economically logical
or the well expected
It's not nice to use food as fuel (ROFL=sardonic chuckle)
So then the question was:
1- Can a Subaru 2.2, 1990* motor run on E-85 ?
2- Will running E-85 improve our chances to pass California emissions?
This question would be of general interest here as I shall extend my question to
1- Substitute WBX 1.9*
2- ............... WBX 2.1*
2- ............... TIICO*
It seems to me rather simple.....
Your Honor, please instruct the witness(es) to respond by
Yes
or
No
Thanks
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mightyart
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No.
Standard gas engines are not designed to run on E85. |
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VisPacem
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No.
Standard gas engines are not designed to run on E85. |
Thanks.
You are Da man
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funagon
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Bostig Zetec can easily run e85. But you can't have a Bostig in California. Unless you want to fight The Man (and I don't mean mightyart).
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daryleWB
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: E-85, California Emissions and Old lace |
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| VisPacem wrote: |
Howdy folks
The old lace just sounded right for some reason. Anyway, I already asked that question on the Subaru-Tech Yahoo group and got very few useful response. I got the usual totally irrelevant responses from those who have difficulties with English, such as:
running E-85 is not economically logical
or the well expected
It's not nice to use food as fuel (ROFL=sardonic chuckle)
So then the question was:
1- Can a Subaru 2.2, 1990* motor run on E-85 ?
2- Will running E-85 improve our chances to pass California emissions?
This question would be of general interest here as I shall extend my question to
1- Substitute WBX 1.9*
2- ............... WBX 2.1*
2- ............... TIICO*
It seems to me rather simple.....
Your Honor, please instruct the witness(es) to respond by
Yes
or
No
Thanks |
A friend of mine, who is also a vintage VW specialist converted his 1.9 to run on E85 with a "Whitelighting I" kit and has been running E85 for about 24K miles. He says he sees a slight MPG loss, but the engine loves it.
He is installing a Ethonal Technologies of Minnesota (EToM) kit into my '88 weekender next weekend. They advertise the same, or very nearly the same fuel economy as with gasoline. Expect a report back in about two weeks on the EToM. |
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riceye
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| Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: E-85, California Emissions and Old lace |
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| daryleWB wrote: |
A friend of mine, who is also a vintage VW specialist converted his 1.9 to run on E85 with a "Whitelighting I" kit and has been running E85 for about 24K miles. He says he sees a slight MPG loss, but the engine loves it.
He is installing a Ethonal Technologies of Minnesota (EToM) kit into my '88 weekender next weekend. They advertise the same, or very nearly the same fuel economy as with gasoline. Expect a report back in about two weeks on the EToM. |
This looks fascinating. Six connections (for the four cyl). Four inline at fuel injectors, one inline at o2 sensor, and a ground. Switching back and forth from e85 to gas is as easy as a flip of a switch.
I'll be watching this closely. They estimate it will pay for itself in 15-20k miles.
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ThorAlex
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From what i've read in stock condition no gas engine will be happy on E85, altho some might run on it. To make an engine run on E85 you need some mods to the fuel system (to get more fuel) and prefferably redusing the compression. E85has less power than gas so you need more fuel, but set up right it will give better torque. Also, E85 is known to have bad effects on some types of rubber, including some fuel lines(!).
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daryleWB
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| From what i've read in stock condition no gas engine will be happy on E85, altho some might run on it. To make an engine run on E85 you need some mods to the fuel system (to get more fuel) and prefferably redusing the compression. E85has less power than gas so you need more fuel, but set up right it will give better torque. Also, E85 is known to have bad effects on some types of rubber, including some fuel lines(!). |
My fuel lines are all certified for E85. The engine would be more thermally efficient with higher compression, which it could do if i were going to run E85 only and wanted to get into that sort of expense.
I'd be happy paying more per mile just to not send my money to the oil companies and most notably to OPEC. |
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thummmper
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my donor had the flexfuel option. OPEC--effem if they cant take a joke!
that will be just one of the solutions out there--with the amount of fuel we consume, we could never grow enough to meet it and keep its competing for land to effect food prices down...or something |
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