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Blue Baron VW Aficionado

Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 26942 Location: Free State of Florida
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:19 am Post subject: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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We've touched on this subject, but I've never read a discussion of the factory reconditioning line. (Forgive me if it's been covered before.)
After the war, the British set up reconditioning lines for Jeep and Humber engines at the Wolfsburg factory, and once Beetle production commenced, the factory set up a dedicated line for refurbishing the VWs of the occupation forces. This wasn't a small operation, and amounted to an additional production battery.
Used and damaged cars were triaged, disassembled and rebuilt using new and reconditioned parts. This would explain why so many early cars seem to have unanswered questions, such as mismatched bodies and pans. It was not uncommon for the factory to install a new body on a used chassis if the original body was beyond repair.
In the book, "Volkswagen: Rise from the Ashes of War," Simon Parkinson shows photos of this old line, along with an interesting photo of the 10,000th factory reconditioned car. The photo is on the lower left cover of the book, (it's also inside the book, but I won't post it in respect to copyright) and shows two British officers standing with the 10,000th reconditioned car as comes of the line. The British left Wolfsburg in Sept. '49, and the car has grooved bumpers, so we can deduce that the photo was taken sometime in 1949.
Assuming 10,000 cars were refurbished, and total new car production was around 100,000 cars by '49, that would mean one out of every ten VWs was remanufactured by the factory! And with 10,000 cars rebuilt, we can also assume some cars may have been reconditioned two, or even three times! Not only this, but there's a chance a few KdF cars may also have fallen into the factory's web and have been rebuilt! Even Ivan Hirst's own car was purchased used and refurbished on this line.
According to Parkinson's book, before the British left Wolfsburg, the reconditioning line was shut down, and the bulk of Control Commission for Germany (CCG) cars were sold off to dealers to boost their used car inventories. It would be interesting to know if there were any records kept regarding the factory rebuilt cars. _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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johnshenry Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9403 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Cool stuff. Might certainly explain a lot ....... _________________ John Henry
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Patty B. Samba Member

Joined: July 14, 2005 Posts: 2181 Location: Brampton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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THAT is such need information!!!!
'Never put that kind of two and two together before!! |
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Ivan Fuller Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2005 Posts: 149 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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They started CKD assembly in New Zealand mid 50's using content from Germany Australia & local. It is well documented that the dealers crash repair shops would strip the vehicles and send them to the assembly plant for "factory repair". Photos exist of this over here. I was just talking to a guy just last weekend who remembers sending bent floorpans away for straightening/replacement frame heads etc to be fitted at the assembly plant. Wonder if this concept continued in Germany after 49 & other countries? |
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RichOakley Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2004 Posts: 1116 Location: Midlands, UK
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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Blue Baron wrote: |
We've touched on this subject, but I've never read a discussion of the factory reconditioning line. (Forgive me if it's been covered before.) |
I don't think it's ever been discussed before, so thanks for raising the subject. |
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DDub Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2005 Posts: 313 Location: central pa.
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think I ever heard this before. Henry Ford did this with the Model T's, putting newer better parts on old cars. This would explain cars with newer parts that SEEM original. |
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado

Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 26942 Location: Free State of Florida
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Another interesting fact from the book is that the Experimental Shop was located next door to the remanufacturing line, and all the interesting customs, such as the Radclyffe Roadster and the first postwar cabriolet, were likely sourced from the remanufactured pool and were not based on new cars. This would explain why these cars seem to be very early postwar or even KdF-era cars.
I recommend this book. It picks up where the Barber book leaves off. _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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vw57drvr Samba Member

Joined: October 23, 2005 Posts: 1705 Location: Rome, Ga
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Wow. Some of these books are upward of 150.00 new. Even the barber book used is 50. _________________ 60 Rock Grey Vert |
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Bart Dunn Samba Consiglieri

Joined: May 09, 2004 Posts: 2354 Location: Sea level (Mid Atlantic)
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:48 am Post subject: |
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vw57drvr wrote: |
Wow. Some of these books are upward of 150.00 new. Even the barber book used is 50. |
I picked up a copy of this book (ashes of war) in a used/discount book shop for about $5 ten or twelve years ago. I always thought it was an interesting read. _________________ Not enough car seats fit into my:
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vw57drvr Samba Member

Joined: October 23, 2005 Posts: 1705 Location: Rome, Ga
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Cool. Ive been looking at Amazon, but about 50 for the Barber, and 25 for the other is about as cheap as Ive seen. Funny, my last name is Dunn also. _________________ 60 Rock Grey Vert |
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erioco Samba Member
Joined: February 05, 2004 Posts: 382 Location: St. Louis, MO
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject: refurbed cars |
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A great post and thread! Thanks
Yes this has been touched on before, but I don't think anyone has ever looked at the totals before, nor done the math.
I wonder if the refurb project ran as late as 49, I get the feeling from the book that it might be closer to early/mid 48/, which would put the % closer to 20 %. (Mind you one has to exclude the 20 cars shipped to the Russians. I hear that one has shown up in Austria a while back.)
With any final number given, the % cars refurbished is staggeringly high, and you realize that few knew how to drive these somewhat tail happy things. And as you say, some were very probably repeat offenders, both cars and drivers.
It would be good to research when the refurb lines were stopped and what the yearly numbers were versus the yearly new car's numbers. That would clear up many questions about 'authenticity' of the early vehicles at least up until 1947/48. It is obvious that the early REME cars can not be held to the same standards as later cars. This would go for engines as well since they were rebuilding at least 25K engines and there is a mention of around 100,000 new engines being built. With the real problems in the early engines, coupled with those who drove the cars too hard and blew them up.
Eric _________________ Radclyffe Roadster Replica proj based on an April 47 chassis |
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splitjunkie Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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vw57drvr wrote: |
Cool. Ive been looking at Amazon, but about 50 for the Barber, and 25 for the other is about as cheap as Ive seen. Funny, my last name is Dunn also. |
The $25 one is gone.  _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado

Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 26942 Location: Free State of Florida
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: refurbed cars |
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Very sneaky, splitjunkie. The book's a good read and $25 isn't a bad price.
erioco wrote: |
I wonder if the refurb project ran as late as '49? I get the feeling from the book that it might be closer to early/mid '48, which would put the percentage closer to 20%. |
I base my estimate of '49 on the fact that the 10,000th car in the photo has grooved bumpers with the flared guards, and not the smoothies with banana guards. A new set of bumpers was probably installed on every remanufactured car.
And you're right about the soldiers cracking them up. Any old war movie from the era glorifies hard drinking soldiers who revel all night and then die the next day on the battlefield. When you own an early VW, veterans who were stationed in Germany will come up and tell you the stories about the one they crashed, rolled or blew up out on a crazy binge with their buddies. (Or better yet, how the cars survived the abuse, and if you're lucky, they'll have saved souvenirs.) _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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Richard Hartel Samba Member

Joined: October 03, 2006 Posts: 37 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:07 pm Post subject: 1947 CCG car |
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I think my 1947 is one of these factory reconditioned vehicles. Once we started tearing it down we found some original factory replacement parts with factory primer on them under three coats of paint. The front panel behind the spare tire where the body number was SUPPOSED to be stamped has the section for the body number but it was NEVER stamped. Also on the tunnel stamped into the tunnel close to the welded in ID plate is another number that was hand stamped. I have never seen this before so if someone has a copy of this book Volkswagen Beetle: Rise from the Ashes of War and could look up if there was any additional stamping I would appreciate it. My birth cert says delivered to the US Army in December 1947.
Thank you. |
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Seb67 Samba Member

Joined: December 02, 2003 Posts: 1008 Location: New England
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: 1947 CCG car |
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Richard Hartel wrote: |
I think my 1947 is one of these factory reconditioned vehicles. Once we started tearing it down we found some original factory replacement parts with factory primer on them under three coats of paint. The front panel behind the spare tire where the body number was SUPPOSED to be stamped has the section for the body number but it was NEVER stamped. Also on the tunnel stamped into the tunnel close to the welded in ID plate is another number that was hand stamped. I have never seen this before so if someone has a copy of this book Volkswagen Beetle: Rise from the Ashes of War and could look up if there was any additional stamping I would appreciate it. My birth cert says delivered to the US Army in December 1947.
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I can't believe that somewhere, someone in Germany doesn't have a log book of every car that came through the repair process. No matter how poorly things were running during the early post war years it would be very unlikely that they didn't at least keep some kind of basic record. Perhaps there is a separate "repair" serial number list somewhere as mentioned above? _________________ 1964 Type 1 |
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Split50 Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Reminded me of this photo in the Cool Vintage Photo thread.
I had to look through 50 pages to find it.
Tim
The Volkswagen Factory in the City of Wolfsburg: Scrap Yard for Damaged VW-Beetles (1947)
Photo by Germin (Gerd Mingram).
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GeoffP Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:37 am Post subject: |
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great photo! |
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johnshenry Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:52 am Post subject: |
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gkafer wrote: |
great photo! |
Yeah, that's vintage VW porn for sure. I have seen that junkyard in my dreams before...... _________________ John Henry
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ARB Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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There is a lot of people just drooling over all those........ |
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Seb67 Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Thats also a lot of bad driving! _________________ 1964 Type 1 |
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