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rod_vw Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2006 Posts: 416 Location: Shropshire, UK
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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Blue Baron wrote: |
These cars were constructed provisionally right after the war. An unrestored '46 that I examined had many of the panels gas welded rather than spot welded. They really were hand assembled and gnashed together.
Could some of the cars have been rebuilt because they were literally falling apart? Who knows. What is known by the statistics is that about one out of nine cars was remanufactured, and the earlier the car, the better the odds. |
In the case of our car I believe the spots were there but broken away! My belief has always been the same as yours, the quality was so variable many had to be recalled for rebuild / repair. _________________ Rod,
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1946 Beetle (Back on the road after over 50 years! Last major outing - Hessisch Oldendorf 2022)
2016 T6 Selfbuild Camper and a LWB MAN TGE in build. |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 4094
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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Blue Baron wrote: |
This car represents a BER (beyond economical repair) car on the dismantling line.
This photo shows the remanufacturing line. Note the dismantling line in the background, along with the ubiquitous gas welders.
Also note the grease penciled numbers on the tunnels of the remanufactured chassis. This could be a clue to establishing the
remanufactured cars.
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The car in the first picture appears to be the same car that is second from the left on the dismantling line in the second picture. _________________ Chris
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virtanen Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2006 Posts: 1461 Location: Finland
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 24106 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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rod_vw wrote: |
Blue Baron wrote: |
These cars were constructed provisionally right after the war. An unrestored '46 that I examined had many of the panels gas welded rather than spot welded. They really were hand assembled and gnashed together. |
In the case of our car I believe the spots were there but broken away! My belief has always been the same as yours, the quality was so variable many had to be recalled for rebuild / repair. |
This photo shows body assembly in a jig, with electric/spot welding equipment evident.
However, as this photo shows, much of the finishing work was gas welded , and even hammered! Also notice the
complete lack of safety gear.
_________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 24106 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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Here's a photo that shows just how knocked around these cars were.
_________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
Heinz Nordhoff |
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 24106 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 9:17 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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This interesting photo from Finster appears to show the reconditioning line.
All those weird welds you think was bad restoration may have been done here.
Note the Wehrmacht field cap of the man in the center of the photo with insignia removed. _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
Heinz Nordhoff |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3847 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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This is one of the most interesting threads on TheSamba |
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 24106 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:18 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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This photo also appears to be of the remanufacturing line, because there are used parts on the engine, including exhaust
and air cleaner. Even the plug wire tube looks funky.
_________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 24106 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:23 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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This looks like a storage compound for Sedans circa 1946 rather than staging for the rebuilding line, but is another
great photo of the well-used British occupation fleet, many of which would go through the remanufacturing process.
_________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7946 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:03 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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something about the right hand guy's clothes make me think he's russian. perhaps they were collecting a batch of cars.
I have seen reference to Hirst saying they had circa 800 cars to overhaul and repair at a time when the french were wanting their vws repaired at wolfsburg. _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7946 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:11 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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just wondering if this is a photo of the recon section
_________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
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Martin Southwell Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2010 Posts: 986 Location: Bath, England
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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The work benches/surfaces and racks above look remarkably devoid of tools/parts. Is this a case of clinically clean workshops, or shortages? |
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 24106 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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I'm thinking it's a regular workshop.
But still an interesting early photo. _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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RUNKLE Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2014 Posts: 4162
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:45 pm Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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_________________ Type 1
1950 Standard - 1959 Ragtop - 1961 Ragtop two fold - 1964 Sunroof
Type 3
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7946 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:52 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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that photo now removed was of raffay & co vw dealership in hamburg _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect...
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado
Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 24106 Location: Southeast USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:39 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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This car would be considered BER (beyond economical repair).
Note how the roof is torn apart in a straight line above the split window. It might have been a very early postwar car with the two-piece roof. _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7946 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:07 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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^ still lots of useable parts to be gleaned from it, provided they could get the stains removed... _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect... |
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scottyrocks Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2016 Posts: 2664 Location: Long Island, NY
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:11 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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These historical threads are my favorite part of the samba. _________________ “If you care for a thing long enough, it takes on a life of its own, doesn't it? Mending old things, preserving them, looking after them – on some level there's no rational grounds for it.”
– D. Tartt, 'The Goldfinch' |
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splitjunkie Samba Member
Joined: April 04, 2006 Posts: 4094
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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The pan might very well be OK so plop a new body on and they would have a drivable car.
Even if the pan was toast, they would have have rescued anything usable off of it. Everything was in short supply so anything usable would have been salvaged I suspect. _________________ Chris
You know, a lot of these scratches will buff right out... Jerry Seinfeld |
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Vanagonsgoslow Samba Member
Joined: April 18, 2019 Posts: 82 Location: E Dorado Hills, CA
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Wolfsburg Factory Reconditioned cars |
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Did anyone ever think that the poor welding on the very early cars had been done as deliberate sabotage by the German workers or the result of a shortage of enough welding gas/supplies so that the workers used as little of their precious welding supplies as possible?
The defeated German soldiers had no fondness for the Russian and French occupying armies; possibly the defeated Germans had a little more fondness for the British and American occupying forces. In those early years the Allies were still trying to figure out what to do with a defeated Germany and were "accidentally" starving the civilian population with very meager rations. By that time the Germans certainly had already learned about all the "tricks" used when it came to industrial sabotage, as the slave laborers the Germans extensively used during WW2 had been engaging in it to sabotage the German war efforts. |
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