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auslander Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2003 Posts: 1831 Location: Heart Of Dixie
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:24 am Post subject: 1914 Tear Down, Endplay problem Update 5 Oct |
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A few months back I was replacing my rotor on my distributor, and when I put it on I noticed the my crank pulledy moved a lot, a was surprised because this motor has very low miles on it. The only problem I had with the motor was the sorry ass scat gold pushrod tubes that leak to no end. So I pulled the motor out and measured the end play it was a little above 50 thou !!! So I began the the tear down and expected to see carnage with the front bearing and there was none, no slack at all but the pin on the bearing was slightly oblong. I split the case and the only thing I noticed was the third bearing had some movement, side to side back and forth. On the flywheel you can see a oil pattern like it was seeping out slightly. What is going on with this engine im stumped???
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juki48 Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2007 Posts: 602 Location: Upstate NY
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: |
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looks like the case was cut for thrust and the bearing did not match. the pin will hold it in place till there is some real load on it. |
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auslander Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2003 Posts: 1831 Location: Heart Of Dixie
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:48 am Post subject: |
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I also found that my Scat lifters started pitting, im running a Web 110
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16803 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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what is up with the lifters? what kind of break in procedure did you use, and what flavor oil are/were you running? _________________
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mharney Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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measurements will tell you what's up. |
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auslander Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2003 Posts: 1831 Location: Heart Of Dixie
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:51 am Post subject: |
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I did the standard break in procedure on it. Turned out the case was cut for thrust and i used a standard size thrust bearing I drove it like that for four years. So the crank pounded the case out, the dowell pin for the bearing got pouned out as well. So i got machine work done, got a new cam and lifters. I've already built it up to a long block, pics in the gallery
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DarthWeber Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2007 Posts: 7543 Location: Whittier,CA
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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So what kind of lifters did you put in there? Still going with the 110? |
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auslander Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2003 Posts: 1831 Location: Heart Of Dixie
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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The cam had some pitting on it instead of regrinding it i got a Eagle 2250 and some lube a lobe lifters _________________ Zombie
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66 POS Bus
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!!! F**k Cancer !!!
Time's Tide will Smother You
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Matthew Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2004 Posts: 1760 Location: Eastern Tennessee
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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What kind of oil were you using? _________________ 1965 Beetle sedan
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souper Samba Member
Joined: September 26, 2007 Posts: 67
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:00 am Post subject: 1914 teardown |
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you might want to rethink the lose a lobe lifters if its not to late.I'm suprised you went with scat again after looking a those first lifters??? |
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AlteWagen Troll
Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8498 Location: PNW
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Are the scat lifters still crap after all these years? I thought they were ok with single springs but go to hell with duals.
Yo auslander, what type of springs are you running? |
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The Noof Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2005 Posts: 4346
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:29 am Post subject: |
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scat3 definition
scat (skat)
noun
excrement left by an animal, esp. a wild animal
Etymology: < Gr skōr: see scato- |
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lostinbaja Samba Member
Joined: December 19, 2004 Posts: 4036 Location: Frankfort, Illinois
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Run some high zinc oil and they will be fine. _________________ Jerry...
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auslander Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2003 Posts: 1831 Location: Heart Of Dixie
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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I was running regular 15-30. I think the Scat's are ok now, but you need to have some zinc in the oil, I've got dual springs on the heads. I went to Scat and showed them and they gave me some lube a lobes _________________ Zombie
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66 POS Bus
69 Class 11 Beetle
71 Cat-Look Beetle
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!!! F**k Cancer !!!
Time's Tide will Smother You
"You can't throw a rock in Long Beach without hitting a tweaker" Steve Tucci |
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auslander Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2003 Posts: 1831 Location: Heart Of Dixie
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Broke the engine in this weekend, had some hiccups along the way but all went well. Did have a weird issue though.... the jtube coming off of #1 seem's to not be firing at idle, but when you put it under load it fires, we switched plugs, and wires and it still did the same thing. A special thanks to OMT and MadManx for all of their help and answering my thousands of questions.
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66 POS Bus
69 Class 11 Beetle
71 Cat-Look Beetle
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74 "Swamp" Thing
!!! F**k Cancer !!!
Time's Tide will Smother You
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DarthWeber Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2007 Posts: 7543 Location: Whittier,CA
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Are you running a balance tube between the manifolds? |
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auslander Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2003 Posts: 1831 Location: Heart Of Dixie
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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I do have a balance tube, the kadrons are bored out to 46 _________________ Zombie
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66 POS Bus
69 Class 11 Beetle
71 Cat-Look Beetle
64 Old Skool Baja
74 "Swamp" Thing
!!! F**k Cancer !!!
Time's Tide will Smother You
"You can't throw a rock in Long Beach without hitting a tweaker" Steve Tucci |
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey
Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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1 cylinder (or even 2 on a side) might not fire with that type of induction setup, it's very common. _________________ Build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212747
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DONT Samba Member
Joined: October 19, 2006 Posts: 338 Location: Gilbert, AZ
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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miniman82 wrote: |
1 cylinder (or even 2 on a side) might not fire with that type of induction setup, it's very common. |
I have been told it is common to idle on only 1 cylinder per side with Kads. |
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auslander Samba Member
Joined: January 07, 2003 Posts: 1831 Location: Heart Of Dixie
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Intresting, im puzzled _________________ Zombie
Wandering...Have you found what your looking for?
66 POS Bus
69 Class 11 Beetle
71 Cat-Look Beetle
64 Old Skool Baja
74 "Swamp" Thing
!!! F**k Cancer !!!
Time's Tide will Smother You
"You can't throw a rock in Long Beach without hitting a tweaker" Steve Tucci |
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