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420GOAT
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 Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: 1776 with dual 40 webers fitting engine compt problems |
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i finally got my engine ready to pop in, ive done this over seven times so i know what's up. Well now i know why people cut the damn oil bath air cleaner stand off, flip originality!!, i want clearance!! im about to cut this shit off and call it a day. im installing a , i already beat the shit out of my shroud, and now the stand is going. is there any other way? i tried to bang it up so it would clear. but other than that, any solutions? 69 bus.
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59walkthru
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install the engine without the carbs installed. what is the deal is the fan housing hitting it? i can be done, It has been done.
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420GOAT
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sorry,  the carb on the right is up against the stand, after looking at the bay/weber gallery pics i see not one with the stand. that shits going if there are no other ways.
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| I don't have webers, but kadrons. I beat my stand and also cut the stand support metal. Only enough to move it out of the way. I could put it back should I ever need to. Just below the circular topis a ninety degree pressed piece. Cut 1\4 inch into each side of that 90 to enable the bend towards vertical |
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420GOAT
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good advise.
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Desertbusman
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| install the engine without the carbs installed. |
And once it's in don't put on the carbs, because you can't.
I ground some welds and cut it at the bottom where it's welded to the frame. So you don't ruin the stand. Every once in a while people are trying to buy stands so they can return their bus to stock. If you totally get it out of there you will be happier. You will want as much room as you can possible get.
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I'll second Desertbusman on this. If you clean up the base of the stand and look closely, you'll see spot welds. You can either drill out the spot welds or better yet remove them with a torch. The final result is that you'll have one valuable to someone else platform for the stock air filter.
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WestyPop
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For the '68 Westy's Kads, the stand got a single cut across the vertical portion, thinking that a couple short pieces of flat strap and a few rivets or bolts could return it to a single 30PICT whenever needed. Having to do the 'factory-re-fit' dance every 2 years for the emissions tests, it worked out just fine. Always passed SMOG, but couldn't wait to get back in the shop to swap the Kads & 009 back on. (Terrible dizzy... haven't been able to get above 26.5 mpg average on trips when fully loaded with camping gear.)
OTOH Desertbusman's grinding & finishing probably looks a whole lot nicer, and this Westy will likely get that treatment as its motive power evolves further from the OG configuration. (SMOG Check tests N/R for <76 vehicles in Kaleefonia now, but the future could change that with just a handful of bribes in Sacramento.)
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| For the '68 Westy's Kads, the stand got a single cut across the vertical portion, thinking that a couple short pieces of flat strap and a few rivets or bolts could return it to a single 30PICT whenever needed. |
That's a good method, too. With age and experience one learns there is a less barbaric modus operandi than bashing away on an offending piece of sheet metal with a hand-held sledge hammer.
Since I live in Texas - I won't comment on the powers that be at the California Air Resources Board. However, if you ever want to know where you can begin cutting your state budget, I'll be happy to offer advice on one state agency that you can cut from the budget.
Best Regards - Andrew in Austin, TX
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420GOAT
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| 59walkthru wrote: |
| install the engine without the carbs installed. |
And once it's in don't put on the carbs, because you can't.
I ground some welds and cut it at the bottom where it's welded to the frame. So you don't ruin the stand. Every once in a while people are trying to buy stands so they can return their bus to stock. If you totally get it out of there you will be happier. You will want as much room as you can possible get. |
if this bus is lucky, it may never go back. 
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Hey 420Goat, If you do manage to remove that Air Cleaner stand without destroying it, please let me know as I'd love to put that in my Bus. 
A PO just cut part of the stand out at some point, maybe when he/she removed and replace the original engine with a "universal VW case". Anyway, I've had to run my Bus using an old Beetle Air Cleaner, not bad, but not original.
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not even going to read all the posts, i just cut my shit off after messing with it for so long got pissed and got an angle grinder...story over.
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420GOAT
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is there anything else i should lookout for when breaking in this motor, of course i cant synch it so i have the screws turned out 2 1/2 under advise of the engine builder. im planning to connect my linkage and set the idle to run at 2k rpm. whatcha think?
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In my 1971 bus I cut the stand off so that I could install the engine with dual kadrons. Here's some pics
These pics were taken after I got rid of the kadrons and went back to original. Notice the non-stock air cleaner....
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420GOAT
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In my 1971 bus I cut the stand off so that I could install the engine with dual kadrons. Here's some pics
These pics were taken after I got rid of the kadrons and went back to original. Notice the non-stock air cleaner.... |
WHATCHA DO WIth the peice? nice pics by the way exactly what i was looking for. our busses are blues brothers. i dont want to lose it that is why i want to fold it down. may look fugly but what if my bus is worth something one day and the stand is the most sought after part? thanks 'Mech.
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I tossed it. If I were you I would take it out and just hold onto it. If need be it could be welded back into place. BTW, I didn't realize the stand would interfere either until I tried to install the motor. I found out too that it's best to just leave one carb off during installation because otherwise it's too wide to lift into the hole.
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420GOAT
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| I tossed it. If I were you I would take it out and just hold onto it. If need be it could be welded back into place. BTW, I didn't realize the stand would interfere either until I tried to install the motor. I found out too that it's best to just leave one carb off during installation because otherwise it's too wide to lift into the hole. |
yeah just getting in the engine bay was pain. way different than installing a singleport.
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| ... it will get lost if i completely cut it off. |
Me too; that's why I have the air cleaner clamped to it & all the stock intake system & dizzy in an appropriately-labeled box... taped shut & up high on a back shelf in my shop! At least very inconvenient to lose, yet close at hand if the regulatory political winds change. Not to save that stuff is just crazy today, even if only for the 'next owner'. YMMV
420GOAT, it's fairly easy to feel like you'll keep a much-worked-over project vehicle forever, but it's just not practical; haven't had any of my vehicles for over 30 years... until next month! Good luck with yours.
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In my 1971 bus I cut the stand off so that I could install the engine with dual kadrons. Here's some pics
These pics were taken after I got rid of the kadrons and went back to original. Notice the non-stock air cleaner.... |
That's how I pulled mine out. It almost looks exactly like yours. However, I can get my motor in and out with both 40 dells on with air cleaners and all. It takes a little angling but it gets installed.
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Yeah, you go in at an angle and then raise the engine before turning it straight to mate with the tranny.
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