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LuckyMonkeyGarage Samba Member

Joined: September 11, 2001 Posts: 937 Location: Arizona up north, near a mountain with a big "J" on top of it
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: Steering Wheel and Horn Ring Differences |
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It seems like there's allot of confusion about horn rings out there concerning what's correct.
Maybe some of you can help me. I need a horn ring for my 63 Bug.
I have heard that the horn rings that are "D" shaped have a variety of letters that follow the part number 113 951 531. Some have the letter "E" after the part number and some have the letter "F" after the part number?
What's the difference? So far I have run across German and Brazilian, painted silver, straight bar type, chrome in the "D" shape, and repops that seem to be more dished to fit on repop steering wheels that don't have the 2 downward notches.
Photos would be greatly appreciated. _________________ http://ghostwagens.blogspot.com/
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RareAir Samba Member

Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 14577 Location: 18 miles North of the border
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Wheel and Horn Ring Differences |
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ghostwagens wrote: |
What's the difference? So far I have run across German and Brazilian, painted silver, straight bar type, chrome in the "D" shape, and repops that seem to be more dished to fit on repop steering wheels that don't have the 2 downward notches. |
113415651D = 1960-61 Steering wheel
113415651E = 1962-63 Steering wheel
311415651A =1964-65 Steering wheel
311415651B =1966-70 Steering wheel
311415651D =1971 Steering wheel
113951531C = 1960-61 horn ring, Chrome
113951531D = 1962-63 horn ring, Chrome
113951**** = 1964-65 horn bar, Chrome
113951**** = 1966-67 horn ring, Chrome
311951531F = 1968-71 horn ring, Silver
The horn bar (no ring) waas onlyused on 1964-65 Beetles, Ghias & Type 3s.
If the ring is painted Silver, it's 1968-later
The steering wheels with the downward notches are found on the 1960-63 wheels _________________ 1947 Typ 11a
1954 Typ 117
1956 Typ 151
1959 Typ 117
1959 Typ 265
1961 356B
1966 Typ 151
1966 Typ 241 |
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LuckyMonkeyGarage Samba Member

Joined: September 11, 2001 Posts: 937 Location: Arizona up north, near a mountain with a big "J" on top of it
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Of course you give me all this information and the horn ring that I find is a 113 951 531E
I wonder if this will work on a 63 bug? It matches the steering wheel part number....?  _________________ http://ghostwagens.blogspot.com/
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gerg a.k.a. 6volt65

Joined: April 25, 2003 Posts: 5454 Location: Monroe, LA
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:44 am Post subject: |
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I have the correct 311 415 651A wheel for my '65, and the bar on it is a 311 951 531 _________________ Gerg
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bugzz1 Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2009 Posts: 172 Location: ripon, ca
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:48 am Post subject: |
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thats what ive been trying to figure out. so the later horn ring wheels had no cut outs on the wheel itself? if i read that correctly. my says 113 951 531f on a 311 415 651a wheel. |
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Insaniac Samba Member

Joined: February 13, 2009 Posts: 594 Location: Nor/So Cal
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Would the 66-70 steering wheels have the notches for the horn ring? I have a black steering wheel with the bar, and it doesn't have the notches. I'm pretty sure it isn't repainted. |
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dugsgms Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2010 Posts: 135 Location: Cherry Valley, CA
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:34 am Post subject: |
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Had to bring this post back to life. I'm in the same spot as LuckyMonkeyGarage. I have a 63 with the steering wheel with the notches. The horn ring is not as nice as I would like it to be so I decided Id get a price to get it re-chromed but got prices ranging from $100 to $200 to have the job done. I know they repop the horn ring that comes with the repop steering wheel w/o the notches but I was wondering it it will fit properly on the wheel with the notches. Lucky, did the "E" ring you got fit? |
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decobugma07 Samba Member

Joined: May 03, 2005 Posts: 1049 Location: Newtonville, MA
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GB2S Samba Member

Joined: October 27, 2003 Posts: 1008 Location: Omaha
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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So I'm curious, are these horn rings not interchangeable,or is it just they are not correct for the car?
Thanks
Geoff _________________ 1963 Ragtop
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decobugma07 Samba Member

Joined: May 03, 2005 Posts: 1049 Location: Newtonville, MA
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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GB2S wrote: |
So I'm curious, are these horn not interchangeable,or is it just they are not correct for the car? |
I think up to some years are interchangeable but not correct for the purist. But, I can be wrong. I have an original 66 bug and the steering wheel doesn't have the extra groove for the D shaped ring. So, I am confused now. _________________ Custom labels available here
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RareAir Samba Member

Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 14577 Location: 18 miles North of the border
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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decobugma07 wrote: |
GB2S wrote: |
So I'm curious, are these horn not interchangeable,or is it just they are not correct for the car? |
I think up to some years are interchangeable but not correct for the purist. But, I can be wrong. I have an original 66 bug and the steering wheel doesn't have the extra groove for the D shaped ring. So, I am confused now. |
Only the 1960/61 & 1962/63 steering wheels have the notches cut into the crossbar for the horn rings. 1964-on did NOT have the notches _________________ 1947 Typ 11a
1954 Typ 117
1956 Typ 151
1959 Typ 117
1959 Typ 265
1961 356B
1966 Typ 151
1966 Typ 241 |
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thedolphinsong Samba Member

Joined: May 30, 2008 Posts: 9 Location: Henderson, Nevada
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Now that I am clear on the notch part I have a question. Did the '60through 63 ever have the "horn bar" or the steering wheel without a notch? I have a 61 & it appears that I have a 64 steering wheel on it.
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RareAir Samba Member

Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 14577 Location: 18 miles North of the border
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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thedolphinsong wrote: |
Now that I am clear on the notch part I have a question. Did the '60through 63 ever have the "horn bar" or the steering wheel without a notch? I have a 61 & it appears that I have a 64 steering wheel on it. |
Horn bar was used only on 1964/65 cars.
Steering wheels with a notch cut out were used only on 1960/61 & 1962/63. From 1964-on, the steering wheel was solid (no notch) _________________ 1947 Typ 11a
1954 Typ 117
1956 Typ 151
1959 Typ 117
1959 Typ 265
1961 356B
1966 Typ 151
1966 Typ 241 |
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notsnarb Samba Member
Joined: April 05, 2006 Posts: 849 Location: MI
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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RareAir wrote: |
decobugma07 wrote: |
GB2S wrote: |
So I'm curious, are these horn not interchangeable,or is it just they are not correct for the car? |
I think up to some years are interchangeable but not correct for the purist. But, I can be wrong. I have an original 66 bug and the steering wheel doesn't have the extra groove for the D shaped ring. So, I am confused now. |
Only the 1960/61 & 1962/63 steering wheels have the notches cut into the crossbar for the horn rings. 1964-on did NOT have the notches |
My 2 original '66 steering wheels have the notches. |
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graysky Samba Member

Joined: August 11, 2011 Posts: 253
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Wheel and Horn Ring Differences |
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RareAir wrote: |
113951531C = 1960-61 horn ring, Chrome
113951531D = 1962-63 horn ring, Chrome
113951**** = 1964-65 horn bar, Chrome
113951**** = 1966-67 horn ring, Chrome
311951531F = 1968-71 horn ring, Silver
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Why the ****'s on the 64-65 and 66-67 horn rings? Are they both part number 113951531E? |
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glutamodo  The Android

Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26448 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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No, the 64-65 are 311951531 and the 66-67 are 113951531E
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graysky Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:47 am Post subject: |
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glutamodo wrote: |
No, the 64-65 are 311951531 and the 66-67 are 113951531E |
That makes sense that they would have different part #'s seeing that the 64-65 is a bar and the 66-67 is a ring. Interesting that horn bar has no letter at the end and is 311 and not 113. Thanks for clearing that up. |
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RareAir Samba Member

Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 14577 Location: 18 miles North of the border
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Steering Wheel and Horn Ring Differences |
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graysky wrote: |
RareAir wrote: |
113951531C = 1960-61 horn ring, Chrome
113951531D = 1962-63 horn ring, Chrome
113951**** = 1964-65 horn bar, Chrome
113951**** = 1966-67 horn ring, Chrome
311951531F = 1968-71 horn ring, Silver
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Why the ****'s on the 64-65 and 66-67 horn rings? Are they both part number 113951531E? |
When I original wrote the part numbers, I didn't have those particular rings in my inventory & couldn't post the correct part #. That is why I substituted with asteriks _________________ 1947 Typ 11a
1954 Typ 117
1956 Typ 151
1959 Typ 117
1959 Typ 265
1961 356B
1966 Typ 151
1966 Typ 241 |
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RareAir Samba Member

Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 14577 Location: 18 miles North of the border
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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branston wrote: |
My 2 original '66 steering wheels have the notches. |
Unless the UK got didn't specifications from the USA, you have the improper steering wheel or you don't understand what the "notches" we are referring to. The photo below depicts an original 1966 steering wheel, NO notches.
This same style wheel is used into the early '70s. Only the horn ring changed from Chrome to painted in 1968-on cars. Please post a photo of the (2) steering wheels you have that you believe to be original 1966 wheels _________________ 1947 Typ 11a
1954 Typ 117
1956 Typ 151
1959 Typ 117
1959 Typ 265
1961 356B
1966 Typ 151
1966 Typ 241 |
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Lidpainter Samba Anti-Hero

Joined: January 21, 2004 Posts: 2045 Location: 41.77 | -83.56
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Sorry to add to the confusion but I have a question. I'm finishing up a restoration of a '60 Beetle. The car was a basket case and came with a '59 or earlier steering wheel and steering column which I will not be using. Over the course of the restoration I bought a '62 wheel and column, a '62 horn ring and a '60 horn ring. I have not seen a '60 steering wheel in person so I can't comment on the differences between the '60-'61 and '62-'63 versions however I have compared the '60 and '62 horn rings and found them to be only slightly different in the center(s). That being said, I can't any reason why the '60 horn ring will not work on a '62 steering wheel. Based on what I have read it seems that they won't work together but I can't figure out why. I suppose if I could compare the '60-'61 and '62-'63 steering wheels side by side it would be clear...maybe. Could somebody here in-the-know please educate me on why it can't be done? _________________
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