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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:37 pm    Post subject: Bus Depot Westfalia charging unit Reply with quote

I recently got a 110v -> 12v convertor from Bus Depot. It is supposedly a smoking deal and unfortunately does not come supplied with instructions or connectors. The story is that it is a version used on Eurovan campers. Any information out there on this unit or how it is connected? I assume that it was used on the European campers as I have not seen something like this on a US van.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can get me a clearer image of the third picture, I might be able to help you find the connectors that you are looking for. It looks like there are some P/Ns for the mating connectors just above the Westfalia insignia.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Upper six pin connector - Left to Right: Conv. VB Pos.; Conv. VB Neg.; +S; -S; LED; Thermal S

Lower 2 pin connector - left, right: Conv.CB Pos, Conv SB Neg

Matching plug numbers on right side: AMP 640581-1, AMP 350777-1
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good thinking asking for the connector plug numbers. I went to Google and stuck in the numbers, I ended up going to this website http://www.digikey.com and got the connectors and associated socket for less than $5 plus shipping.

Now to just figure out what gets connected to what... Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your gonna need to have some open barrel crimpers for the terminals. You can get them for about $30. If you can't find any, I can get you a pair. I can't comment on the connections now and don't want to post wrong info. If I come across anything that helps I will post it here.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I found out the manufacturer of the unit is a company called Cherokee Europe due to a small sticker on the unit. Here is their reply to my enquiry. They are now known as Mitra E I. More info to follow when I get it. Hopefully I can get a datasheet or user manual.

Dear Sir,

We have well received your inquiry for information on the PE2169/04. This product has been indeed manufactured by our company. However the product is a custom product covered by an NDA between Westfalia and us and we are not authorized to release information without their written consent. We recommend you to contact Westfalia for further information.

We thank you for your interest in our product and services and hope to be of better help on your new enquiry

Sincerely yours

Emmanuel Orban de Xivry, Ir.
Director of Marketing

Mitra Energy & Infrastructure
Bd de L’Europe, 131
1301 Wavre
Belgium

Tel: +32 (0)10 438 501
Mob: +32 (0)476 200 225
Fax: +32 (0)10 438 213
www.mitra-ei.com
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, now you know more about this unit than I do! I got it on closeout in Germany; Westfalia had discontinued the camper conversion it was used in and had some left over. VW retail was $950 and I'm selling them for $179. Alas I could get no info on it at all from my sources, other than what is written on it. Fortunately, it's rather well labeled (as you noted), with the terminals identified and even the part numbers of the matching connectors. They're off-the-shelf Tyco connectors; a google search turns up multiple sources starting at under a buck for the two plus shipping.

I'd love to hear from someone who has wired one of these up. I could pass your wiring info on to other users, so they don't have to "reinvent the wheel." I'll be keeping an eye on this thread!!

For anyone interested in grabbing one, here's the link:
http://busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=701070519C
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if this document I have on my blog would help:

http://shufti.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/anschluss-ladegeraet/

I dont think its the same model, but its the same "idea".
Well at least you'll learn new German words Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well now we are getting somewhere. I got a response back from Westfalia, and will hopefully get the technical data on the unit soon. Nice to know what vehicle it was used on too.

Note that the signature footer on the letter is CVC, not Westfalia. Maybe this is due to the company going into bankruptcy receivership. What a bummer...
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=396986&highlight=westfalia

Once I get the technical data, I will post it up.


Hello Mr. Otiswesty,

thank you for your inquiry.

This is a battery charger, 110V, from James Cook, U.S. version. Material No. 506,732 is on the device?
Spare Parts is available under the No 900,001,506,732th
This charger is used for other vehicles with a 110V version, possibly a T4 vehicle.
What information do you seek?
How can we help you?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen/ Best regards
Alfons Siggemann
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CVC-Camping Van Conversion GmbH
Franz-Knöbel-Straße 34
33378 Rheda-Wiedenbrück
Tel. +49 (5242) 15 210
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The James Cook is the Westfalia model name used on the Sprinter van conversion in Europe by Westfalia. In the US it was called the Westfalia Sprinter by Airstream. Based on the MBZ/Dodge/Freightliner Sprinter van. The conversion was done in Germany by Westfalia in Weidenbruck, shipped over and marketed by Airstream through their motorhome distribution network. Approximately 230 unit were sold in the US. The guy I bought my VW LT Sven Hedin camper from was a German guy who had a James Cook camper back home in Germany, and kept the Sven Hedin over here for US vacations.

More info on parts and 110/12v wiring here:

http://service.airstream.com/files/library/af00af3eb7ef8c9e.pdf
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waoo !!!! $179.95 for a battery charger
Am I missing something ?!?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EL31415 wrote:
Waoo !!!! $179.95 for a battery charger
Am I missing something ?!?


It says Westfalia on it.....
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gauche1968 wrote:
EL31415 wrote:
Waoo !!!! $179.95 for a battery charger
Am I missing something ?!?


It says Westfalia on it.....


It originally sold for $950.00 so you could say that at $179.95 its quite a deal.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its true, I'm a big sucker for rare and unusual parts...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bingo! I got a 9 page PDF from CVC (formerly Westfalia) today that has all the technical installation instructions and specs for this charger unit. I will try to figure out how to upload it to the Samba. I have done lots of JPG photos before, but never a PDF. If you want a copy emailed to you, just PM me with your email address and I will send it out.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Umm, seriously, congratulations on this neat little oddity. Now, can you share exactly what it does and why it is so cool? The real question is, do I need one for my weekender?!?! This looks like a lot more fun than doing some necessary maintenance, like tracking down my coolant leak.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a battery charger.

You plug in your van to the outside socket and both your aux and main batteries will receive 13.8v maintenance charge. Yeah, you can just buy a Schumacher 2amp/6amp trickle charger and hook it up. But this is OG Westfalia, it can easily be wired in and look like a stock option. If my van leaked coolant, I would fix that first too.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These chargers are quite sought after, even in Europa.

Recently, one went for 200 euros


And currently, theres another one for sale, still at 100 euros...but it remains three days before auction ends


Note that the 2 links I have posted are european models, so in 220V not 110V (just in case...)


I have some diagrams on my site but all in french Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

link to installation manual:

http://www.geek-out.com/vw/charger.pdf
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zanza wrote:
These chargers are quite sought after, even in Europa.
Recently, one went for 200 euros
And currently, theres another one for sale, still at 100 euros...but it remains three days before auction ends
Note that the 2 links I have posted are european models, so in 220V not 110V (just in case...)
I have some diagrams on my site but all in french Wink


Interesting website, I would love to see the T4 Westfalia manual in English if you have access to one. The Espar stationary heater controls are much nicer than the others that I have seen, van specific anyway.

That charger looks like essentially the same. The Philips made Westfalia charger units that you posted from ebay are 220->12v and only have the aux battery (VB) output, essentially what is on the 6 pin connector on the US spec unit. The Westfalia charger unit being resold by Bus Depot has both a house / aux battery and starting battery (SB) charging outputs with a built in (+S, -S) voltage sensor for the house battery.
Intitially, I had assumed that the S connections were related to a switched function, and couldn't figure it out with a set of multimeters. Fairly simple now that I have the appropriate spec bulletin.
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