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Steve M. Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 6833 Location: Fort Lauderdale, Fl.
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:04 am Post subject: Re: General Grabber review. 215/65/16 |
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They need more sipe's to make them a better winter tire even with the studs installed. _________________ This free advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.
There are seven days in a week. Someday is not one of them. |
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nsmal Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2019 Posts: 56 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: General Grabber review. 215/65/16 |
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I had General Grabber AT2s in 215/70R16 and would not recommend them to anyone after getting two flat tires simultaneously in the middle of Death Valley earlier this year. I have to add that they were brand new at this point with only a couple thousand miles on them. I definitely agree with the others earlier in the thread regarding the load range.
I now have BFG KO2s in 245/75R16 load range E and made it back through Death Valley no problem, and I really beat on them.
The difference in sidewall stiffness between the General Grabbers and KO2s is significant. I could push my thumb into the Grabbers like they were loaves of bread (while they were filled with air pressure to spec), the KO2s feel like solid rubber in comparison. |
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 6569 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:32 am Post subject: Re: General Grabber review. 215/65/16 |
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Once driving on Ds in a van close to GVWR, you'll never wants Cs again.
Statement applies to both pavement and dirt. _________________ ‘84 Westy, 2.1L with Digijet, 5.43 R+P, GT Gears
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
— Colin Chapman |
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vanagonjr Samba Member
Joined: October 07, 2010 Posts: 3431 Location: Dartmouth, Mass.
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 6569 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:26 am Post subject: Re: General Grabber review. 215/65/16 |
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ALIKA T3 wrote: |
A customer just bought these tires, so I decided to compare them with my BFG AT KO.
Almost the same!!
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Kinda. _________________ ‘84 Westy, 2.1L with Digijet, 5.43 R+P, GT Gears
"Adding power makes you faster on the straights.
Subtracting weight makes you faster everywhere."
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6360 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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Cbarney10 Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2015 Posts: 12 Location: Venice, CA
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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thanks ya'll
i'm headed over to Nokian WRCs just trying to decide between 205/65/15 and 205/70/15s
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9937 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Any time you increase the overall tire diameter you will suffer performance penalties. How significant the penalties are is subjective and may not matter to you. Compare your current size to the new size and see how it stacks up. For example:
185R14C is about 815 revs/mile
215/65R16 is about 770 revs/mile
45/815 = less than 6% gearing change
My 215/65R16 XL tires are on 2wd with stock 2.1 and stock trans. One is a Westy, one a hardtop. I can feel the slight performance hit but don't mind it.
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anybody experience ...acceleration issues with 215/65/16 on a stock '86 2wd? |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 9937 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:38 am Post subject: |
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I have 215/65R16 XL tires on 2 of my 2wd vans. They don't rub on bumps at all, whatever the steering angle. ET37, 7x16 , slight clearancing of the upper control arm edge needed due to occasional tire contact.
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Jon_slider Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2007 Posts: 5091 Location: Santa Cruz, Crowdifornia
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Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Cbarney10 wrote: |
anybody experience rubbing / acceleration issues with 215/65/16 on a stock '86 2wd? |
imo the General Grabber AT2 in that size is NOT a good choice for a vanagon because it is Neither C rated, nor is it a Reinforced (XL) Passenger tire. It is just a plain Standard Load (SL) Passenger tire.
A better choice in terms of load rating is the new BFG AT Ko 215x65x16. You can look up the specs on Tirerack.com
I suggest you also read the tire thread
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=584507
hopefully you will get other replies.
what motor, what kind of van, and what tires do you currently have?
215x65x16 is a 27" diameter tire. 7% larger than stock. Yes you will experience acceleration issues. (edit per Mark below) with ET above stock 30 and width above stock 6.5", they will rub the UCA but not the fenders.
Why do you think you want that tire size? Are you hoping it will improve handling?
I suggest you study the links in my signature, then PM me with any questions. _________________ My Soapboxes: Inflation; Handling; Gearing; Decoupling; Swepco
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Cbarney10 Samba Member
Joined: February 15, 2015 Posts: 12 Location: Venice, CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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anybody experience rubbing / acceleration issues with 215/65/16 on a stock '86 2wd? |
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an86carrera Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2007 Posts: 293 Location: Bradenton, FL
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:54 am Post subject: |
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I bought a set of 215/65/16 this summer and have about 5000 miles on them. Steering is very light now (no power on my van) they are extremely quiet for a rugged tread design. I can not speak to the snow driving properties but seem surefooted in the rain.
Pic
_________________ Len
Current Vehicles
'84 Westy '95 2.2 Subaru
'08 Dodge 2500 diesel
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climberjohn Samba Member
Joined: January 11, 2005 Posts: 1840 Location: Portland Orygun
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Type2meister wrote: |
any chance you could toss up a pic of these puppies? |
Tech Tip:
Go to Google.
Type most anything you want to see in the search box.
Click Images.
You will see LOTS of what you want.
Link: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=general+grabber
xo,
CJ _________________ '86 Westy, 2.5 Subaru power
Know your limits. Exceed them often. |
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offroad. Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2009 Posts: 211 Location: llanelli, s wales
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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did a huge amount of research before i bought my tyres for the syncro. grabber at2`s do everything a bfg does for a fair bit less. if you want mt`s that are on road freindly you cant beat khumo kl71`s although there not as friendly on road as the 255/65/16 grabbers i run every day. |
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psych-illogical Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2004 Posts: 1181 Location: AZ
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Same tire different size. I just bought a set of the Grabbers last week in the 27x8.50x14 size. Not many miles yet but so far I like 'em. Not any noisier than the Michelin Hydroedge I had on there and they feel plenty firm, even w/ the relatively tall sidewall. _________________ 83 1/2 Westy waterboxer
'57 Beetle-sold
Coupla '81 BMW motorcycles (R80G/S; R100RS)
'96 BMW R1100GS |
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BushChicken Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2010 Posts: 250 Location: California
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Type2meister wrote: |
any chance you could toss up a pic of these puppies? |
Check Tire Rack. |
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Type2meister Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2002 Posts: 341 Location: Campbell River, BC
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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any chance you could toss up a pic of these puppies? |
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msewalson Samba Member
Joined: September 14, 2009 Posts: 544 Location: Grand Junction, Colorado
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Perfect timing.
I couldn't decide between the BFG's or Grabbers for my 87 Syncro. I currently have the BFG's on my Ford Ranger and couldn't be happier. But those bad boys are pricey, $130.00 a tire at tire rack. The Grabbers on the other hand are a little cheaper $97.00 but also have a slightly lower load rating as well. But after reading this review I think my mind is made up and I'll try the Grabbers. |
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jkidd152 Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2009 Posts: 408 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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I also have the 215/65/16 Grabbers and couldn't be happier. I would definitely buy this tire again. _________________ '85 Syncro Westy |
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Masta Shake Samba Member
Joined: October 29, 2010 Posts: 198 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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I just put some of these in the 215/70/16 size on my Syncro Camper today. I'll let know know how they work out. _________________ As a good friend told me when I got the Syncro: "Welcome to the an intense love/hate relationship". |
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