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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject: Original Engine Traders Thread Reply with quote

In the continued pursuit of perfection and always seeming to be in the unfortunate situation of finding/buying buses without their original engines, this thread is dedicated to finding the long ago cast aside soul (engine) of our buses.

For example, I have a April of 55 singlecab VIN 20 125xxx, according to the VW Tansporter and Microbus Specfication Guide, the singlecab should have a engine # between 20-991 590 and 20-1120 614. However, using this site as a more accurate resource (sheck under, techincal, vin numbers) a more accurate range would be 20-1023 849 to 20-1049 452.

I have located engine # 20-1259 415, which would have been produced in October-November of 55.

Ultimately I would like to find an engine produced in April of 55, so I would like to purpose the use of this thread to find, trade, buy, sell engines to complete the accuracy of our passions.

I look foward to helping others in this pursuit, as I have several engines that I am willing to trade or sell in an effort to close the gap between VIN and engine production #'s.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking for an engine for a June of 1963 built bus.

A 1200 between 7 777 337 and 7 852 564
Or a 1500 between 0 227 033 and 0 265 438

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have 55 23 window (not barndoor) and want to have matching numbers engine as well. i will look tonight what my numbers are supposed to be. because it might be the one you have.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an May '55 engine case #20-1 062 057 and would be willing to trade it for either a NOS case or a late June/Early July '55 engine case in equal or better condition. My bus has a Vin # s 20-135395 so I would want the engine number to be close to 20-1 106 000.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=656092

My May '55 case takes standard size beaings, but will need to be align-bored. I see no additional problems, and the thrust surface seems undamaged. This case has been stored inside, and has no water damage. I will only consider trades for cases that are in equal or better condition.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just thinking about engine #'s and production of bus dates. In the VIN section on here, it has month's with vin #'s and engine #'s. Are they correct on when the Engine #'s went into busses for that month or are the engine #'s produced that month but could have not been put into a bus until the next month or two? I was searching for a correct date case for a march 58.

23 window collection, Like your single cab, it says on here
VIN Engine
Mar 20-122491 20-1 023 849
Apr 20-126350 20-1 049 452

But your book has an earlier # that could be correct for it, made in early march.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a few 1200 cases, and misc 40hp stuff. I'll look and see what I have.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great thread! Great idea!
My 31 Jan '63 bus came with original 1500 engine (M-216)

# 0 160 230

Sure would love to locate that case and rebuild it.
Would cough up some serious cash to get it if available. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of the older ones :
2267265
2878563
2052353

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what happens when you find the correct and ORIGINAL to the vehicle case and the seller wont sell it or wont continue any discussion regarding any sort of offer or compensation?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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what happens when you find the correct and ORIGINAL to the vehicle case and the seller wont sell it or wont continue any discussion regarding any sort of offer or compensation?


Keep looking Laughing

I can only imagine how frustrating that is. Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Needle in a haystack, really. That said, obsess on!!! Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crukab wrote:
Some of the older ones :
2267265
2878563
2052353
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I need a 36hp motor for my March '58 standard. I'm looking for a case number between 2252831 and 2300862.

crukab, what condition is you 2267265 in? We can take this offline if you prefer.

Great thread idea!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also looking for a 36hp motor for my '58 deluxe vin 331917 built in February 58. I need case number between 2206943 and 2252831.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gatorwyatt wrote:
what happens when you find the correct and ORIGINAL to the vehicle case and the seller wont sell it or wont continue any discussion regarding any sort of offer or compensation?


Aggravation, frustration Sad

Why won't the "holder" of the engine let it go back to the OG vehicle?
If the current "holder" needs a specific motor that is in the same number range.....maybe just maybe someone will have the engine the "holder" really needs. Or prehaps we can help through gentle or so so gentle persuasion the necessity for the two units to reunite? Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EmpiGT wrote:
I was just thinking about engine #'s and production of bus dates. In the VIN section on here, it has month's with vin #'s and engine #'s. Are they correct on when the Engine #'s went into busses for that month or are the engine #'s produced that month but could have not been put into a bus until the next month or two? I was searching for a correct date case for a march 58.

23 window collection, Like your single cab, it says on here
VIN Engine
Mar 20-122491 20-1 023 849
Apr 20-126350 20-1 049 452

But your book has an earlier # that could be correct for it, made in early march.


March of 58 according the Eccles book would fall between 305 526 and 314 630
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EmpiGT wrote:
I was just thinking about engine #'s and production of bus dates. In the VIN section on here, it has month's with vin #'s and engine #'s. Are they correct on when the Engine #'s went into busses for that month or are the engine #'s produced that month but could have not been put into a bus until the next month or two? I was searching for a correct date case for a march 58.

The vehicles I have seen with original engines matched the listing on this site. The only discrepancies I have seen were in regards to some of the month-end numbers. So no, you would not typically see an engine # dated a month earlier than the vehicle.

The numbers on the site are from the VW Dealer book Progressive Refinements and I would refer to those over any other non-VW book.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Mike wrote:
Great thread! Great idea!
My 31 Jan '63 bus came with original 1500 engine (M-216)

# 0 160 230

Sure would love to locate that case and rebuild it.
Would cough up some serious cash to get it if available. Very Happy


Thanks Mr Mike and StephenMullens, I been kicking this idea around for at least year, I should have started the thread earlier, however, life has been just WAY too busy.

In reality this thread needed to come online years ago before VW stopped providing engine numbers on the cardex/birth certificates. Anyone know a way around this glitch, thanks VW. Rolling Eyes

Lets hope we can reunite engines with buses.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EverettB wrote:

The vehicles I have seen with original engines matched the listing on this site. The only discrepancies I have seen were in regards to some of the month-end numbers. So no, you would not typically see an engine # dated a month earlier than the vehicle.

The numbers on the site are from the VW Dealer book Progressive Refinements and I would refer to those over any other non-VW book.


I was informed by another knowledgeable member of the community that within two months before or after the month of manufacture was accurate. I guess not! That makes my search even tougher.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to be a Buzzkill....but is there any difference in a bug/bus 36hp? Does it just depend on the numbers?? I picked up a 36hp with my haul this summer...but it's definately out of a bug.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

motofly196 wrote:
Not to be a Buzzkill....but is there any difference in a bug/bus 36hp? Does it just depend on the numbers?? I picked up a 36hp with my haul this summer...but it's definately out of a bug.

Scott


'55 & earlier engine cases have a "20-" prefix for busses and a "1-" prefix for beetles.

Both are pretty hard to find and mildly valueable considering.

Later cases seem to be worth very little unless you find someone wanting that specific number.
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