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cvallone
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 Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:06 am Post subject: 1960 New wiring Harness and Horn issues |
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Hey guys,
I am restoring this 1960 VW bug that has a new wiring harness in it. Now in the kit they supply you with the wires for the horn to feed up through the steering shaft and come out at the top on the inside of the car by the horn button. From what I have been reading on here in the forums, 1960 didn't have that? Can anyone clarify that for me?
OF course at this moment I am having trouble with the horn. I cant get it to honk with the steering wheel and horn ring on.
I took the steering wheel off and I do get a honk when I touch the wire to the metal ring on the turn switch. I cannot find where the back of the steering wheel would touch that part of the turn switch when horn ring is pressed. Anyone shed some insight? I have the three pins that go on the wheel but when pressed it does not honk.
I hope I am making myself clear, hope to hear from someone.
Chris
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10 A C N
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| Posted yesterday on this same page ."1960-61 horn assenbly hell made simple" LOL Mike |
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cvallone
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| 10 A C N wrote: |
| Posted yesterday on this same page ."1960-61 horn assenbly hell made simple" LOL Mike |
DUDE! you are the man! Hopefully I get this right.
cv
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cvallone
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| 10 A C N wrote: |
| Posted yesterday on this same page ."1960-61 horn assenbly hell made simple" LOL Mike |
Ok well I followed your pics and info, and it really was just a reassurance that mine was just like what you were showing.
Unfortunately it did not solve my problem. I really need to see how the horn is setup on a 60. I have the new wiring harness for this bug, but for some reason it seems that they give you a harness for a 62 and later bug. They give you wires that need to be fed up the steering shaft and hooked up as if it was a 62 or later. This is the second time this has happened to me, I bought a new harness for a 61 and the same deal.
Can anyone with a 60 out there shed some light or take some pics under the gas tank?
Regards,
Chris
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duginabug
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I'm currently restoring a 60 sedan as well and it has the correct horn system installed. When I finally figured out how it worked, it worked so well that my wife came out to the garage and ask me to STOP honking the damn horn. Sheezzz......women!
Anyhoo, if you saw my how-to mentioned in this thread, and the horn setup on your car is the same, then your wiring harness should NOT have a wire that goes up the column tube. Instead, you should have what you see in the photo below. My wiring harness is from Wireworks and it was a perfect match in every way, including the horn wiring.
The three spring loaded brass pins under your horn ring are what complete the circuit when you push it.
Pretty much everything in this system is specific to 60-61. If the system in your car has been changed, you most likely don't have any of the correct parts.
Also, make sure you have the "crossover" strap (or whatever it's called) on your steering coupler.
Everything else in this horn system is pictured in the how-to http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=369613
If you need more info or photos just ask. I'll be happy to help.
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cvallone
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I'm currently restoring a 60 sedan as well and it has the correct horn system installed. When I finally figured out how it worked, it worked so well that my wife came out to the garage and ask me to STOP honking the damn horn. Sheezzz......women!
Anyhoo, if you saw my how-to mentioned in this thread, and the horn setup on your car is the same, then your wiring harness should NOT have a wire that goes up the column tube. Instead, you should have what you see in the photo below. My wiring harness is from Wireworks and it was a perfect match in every way, including the horn wiring.
The three spring loaded brass pins under your horn ring are what complete the circuit when you push it.
Pretty much everything in this system is specific to 60-61. If the system in your car has been changed, you most likely don't have any of the correct parts.
Also, make sure you have the "crossover" strap (or whatever it's called) on your steering coupler.
Everything else in this horn system is pictured in the how-to http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=369613
If you need more info or photos just ask. I'll be happy to help. |
Very nice, you are the man again!! Ok, so I have it hooked up just like you said, no center column wire, still no honk. I know these columns are insulated. Sometimes I may get a lil beep when I put the steering wheel on, as it slides down it may hit the lil ring on the turn switch. Is anything on the back of the wheel supposed to touch anything on the turn switch?
Please let me know,
Chris
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duginabug
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Is anything on the back of the wheel supposed to touch anything on the turn switch?
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Actually the turn signal switch has nothing to do with your horn, but you really don't want it to contact the steering wheel.
Now, I'm not an electrician, and I couldn't tell you the difference between wattage, voltage, current and all that stuff, and I'm quite sure there's a better way to explain this so please bear with me and my simplicity.
The brass contact ring with the partial cutout is on the steering column.
It sits on top of the contact spring, which sits in a collar (spring seat), which sits in the bearing that is pressed into the end of the steering column tube. This whole assembly is actually part of the electrical circuit and is isolated from the steering column by a black plastic sleeve. Make sure that sleeve has not been worn through somewhere.
Current flows through your steering column tube, the bearing, the spring seat, the contact spring, the contact ring and finally to the metal plate on the back of your steering wheel...and that is where the circuit is broken...until you push your horn ring.
When you do, one of the three brass pins (depending which side of the ring you push) is pushed down, making contact with the metal plate, thus completing the circuit through the steering wheel, down the steering column, across the jumper on the steering box which is grounded to the chassis.
Now, because the horn is grounded to the chassis as well, and it has a hot wire attached to it.......................BEEP!
As you can see, in order for the electrical circuit for the horn to be completed, the current flow really has to run the gauntlet, and all it takes is one little something that's boogered up to make the system fail.
What's most important is all the little things intended to insulate "this from that" and the other thing.
ALL the plastic washers, the white plastic piece under the metal plate on the back of the wheel, the black insulating sleeve on the column etc, etc.
As you put the wheel on, do you get the little beeps AFTER it makes contact with the brass ring?
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duginabug
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Okay, it looks like you have a little bit of a mess here, but nothing that can’t be straightened out. I’ll do my best to help you. All the pictures I took here are of a steering column and tube from a 1960 sedan.
Steering column parts assemble like this.
If you have anymore questions don't hesitate to ask.
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Could that be a sleeve welded on for a locking mechanism?
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Nice write up, thanks so much!  |
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hitlersride
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| where can one purchase these spring loaded pins??? I have everything but those three parts. |
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| where can one purchase these spring loaded pins??? I have everything but those three parts. |
I am looking for the same parts, let me know if you find a source |
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