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VWDiva Samba Member
Joined: November 03, 2013 Posts: 13 Location: VT
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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I always see the yakima brackets on the side (wide body or bronco) of the Westy top. Does anyone know of a reason not to use these "top Loader" brackets? seems to offer the aesthetic advantage of the track system but wouldn't distribute the load at all.
I plan on hauling two 17" touring kayaks over long distances. Is there a structural advantage to a side mounted bracket?
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ThankYouJerry Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2012 Posts: 2271 Location: Shakedown Street
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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^^^ I can't answer your specific question, however, if you do end up going with the side mount ARGs (Artificial Rain Gutters) like most of us have, make sure you opt for the "wide" version not the thin/short version. The wide version has 4 bolts and disperses more weight than the thin 2 bolt version.
http://www.gowesty.com/product-details.php?v=&id=3193
2 bars works for many, but I prefer 3 bars. Consider your spacing carefully (your current needs vs. future needs). Also, you want your weight as far to the rear as possible. Many think weight should be in the middle, but this is incorrect. Of course, any cargo overhanging the rear could interfere with opening the rear hatch. Things to consider. _________________ 1990 Multivan - "Ohana"
1.8T, Auto w/3.27 R&P + Peloquin TBD |
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buildyourown Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2009 Posts: 1668 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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VWDiva wrote: |
I always see the yakima brackets on the side (wide body or bronco) of the Westy top. Does anyone know of a reason not to use these "top Loader" brackets? seems to offer the aesthetic advantage of the track system but wouldn't distribute the load at all.
I plan on hauling two 17" touring kayaks over long distances. Is there a structural advantage to a side mounted bracket?
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2 reasons. Yes, the fiberglass is supposedly thicker on the sides.
The second reason is when mounted on the sides, the bolts don't penetrate the interior. No bolt heads to see on the inside and no potential for leaks |
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zak99B5 Samba Member
Joined: December 21, 2014 Posts: 471 Location: Albany, NY
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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VWDiva wrote: |
I plan on hauling two 17" touring kayaks over long distances. Is there a structural advantage to a side mounted bracket?
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With side mounting, the load is pushing down on the mounting bolts with a lot of fiberglass underneath.
With the load on top, it's pressing down on a thin sheet.
Fold a large index card in half, and make it stand on its edge. Press down on the top edge. You'll find it's pretty stiff.
Then hold the same card, still folded in half, flat between your finger and thumb. Press down in the middle, and see how it deflects easily. _________________ 1991 Tintop GL Manual tranny, EJ22 |
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16503 Location: Brookeville, MD
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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zak99B5 wrote: |
VWDiva wrote: |
I plan on hauling two 17" touring kayaks over long distances. Is there a structural advantage to a side mounted bracket?
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With side mounting, the load is pushing down on the mounting bolts with a lot of fiberglass underneath.
With the load on top, it's pressing down on a thin sheet.
Fold a large index card in half, and make it stand on its edge. Press down on the top edge. You'll find it's pretty stiff.
Then hold the same card, still folded in half, flat between your finger and thumb. Press down in the middle, and see how it deflects easily. |
X2 on this.... _________________ Dave O
'87 Westy w/ 2002 Subaru EJ25 and Peloquin TBD
"To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive." Robert Louis Stevenson
MD>Canada>AK>WA>OR>CA>AZ>UT>WY>SD
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=620646
Building a bus for travel in Europe (euroBus)
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=695371
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=746794 |
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Martian-mart Samba Member
Joined: November 12, 2012 Posts: 28 Location: Rosendale, NY
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:48 am Post subject: Spacing? |
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Bruce Wayne wrote: |
can't remember the spacing. PDXWesty helped me with that,and more when I did my rack. |
I'd like to set up my van like this. Does anyone know the height and width spacing for the artificial gutters?
Thanks,
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PDXWesty Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2006 Posts: 6245 Location: Portland OR
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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Racks should be spaced 32" to 36" apart if you want to use standard attachments. Just mark and measure where you want the first bracket then measure 36" for the other. I use masking tape on the top laid down first and mark on the tape. Then mistakes aren't permanent. _________________ 89 Westy 2.1 Auto |
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Martian-mart Samba Member
Joined: November 12, 2012 Posts: 28 Location: Rosendale, NY
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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Thank you!
Any suggestion to the height? I'd like to go with three like in the photo so I can take my canoe. I'd use a high gutter mount foot just behind the cargo box before where the roof pops. So the gutter attachment being mounted needs to be located where the rack that sits on it is at the same height as the front. |
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5688 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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I know it is a Bay but should help out with spacing ideas and all that.
I attached 3 sets of Thule ARGs to my pop top. The front bolt of the rearmost ARG is a shared hole with my pop top struts. The spacing of the others was based primarily on aesthetics... I think I ended up with 32 inch spacing between each set.
To decide what looked better, I tried a couple options. I attached the rear ARGs, then used large pieces of masking tape to color in black boxes for the two spacing options I was considering, and just went with what I liked the looks of better. One example below.
For my canoe, I keep the bars at the front and back. The kayak will ride at that spacing OK, but is a little better with middle and back. If I ever get a "roof coffin" or basket or anything like that, I'd use middle and back.
The stupid hole in the side is fixed now...
_________________ Dave Cook
President, Wild Westerner Club
1978 Champagne Edition Westy, repowered to '97 Jetta TDI
1973 Wild Westerner
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PDXWesty Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2006 Posts: 6245 Location: Portland OR
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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_________________ 89 Westy 2.1 Auto |
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ragnarhairybreeks Samba Member
Joined: October 26, 2009 Posts: 1890 Location: Sidney B.C. Canada
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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Aluminum, to be painted black.
Alistair _________________ '86 7 passenger syncro, converted to westy pop top, project still in progress
'82 westy, diesel converted to gas in '94, now gone...
https://shufti.blog/
Old address still works...
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erste Samba Member
Joined: March 29, 2013 Posts: 1110 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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ragnarhairybreeks wrote: |
Alistair |
Breathtaking photo! |
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jvarg Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2015 Posts: 14 Location: Montauk, New York
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:51 am Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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kourt Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2013 Posts: 1944 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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I just realized I hadn't posted my roof rack setup.
These are Thule 387 towers on Yakima ARGs mounted in the side of the poptop. I'm carrying two Wilderness Systems Tempest 170 (17' long) kayaks, each weighing about 55lbs. We drove from Austin to Key West and back with this configuration without issues.
I've also used these racks to haul rowing shells:
Plus some big antenna arrays, and in the case of this past summer, a rooftop box full of mountaineering gear:
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pedrokrusher Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2011 Posts: 654 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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shagginwagon83 Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2016 Posts: 3796 Location: VA/TN
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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No joke - I have had my 1A towers and bars for almost two years.
I am on the fence of having three or four bars.
Three bar looks nice. But I don't know if I can get away with only three bars.
I plan on having a 150w (maybe 100w) panel (always on vehicle), a road shower, cargo box, and depending on season a kayak holder or ski/board holder powderhounds. Looks like I'm going to have to get the measuring tape out.
Edit: nevermind I know how i'll do the road shower
[/img] _________________ Brandon
"Jo Ann" - '83.5 Westfalia EJ22e w/Peloquin
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tjet Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2014 Posts: 3533 Location: CA & NM
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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2 pairs of Gary Lee's roof racks with a 3/4" sheet of marine grade plywood & 1/8" diamond plate on it. The front 2 racks I found in a junkyard...
Very strong & low profile. I'm going to fabricate a folding tent on it for rooftop sleeping It's also a great sunblock. Interior stays a lot cooler
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SyncroButter Samba Member
Joined: February 02, 2016 Posts: 383 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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pedrokrusher wrote: |
Never seen this roof rack set-up before.
Looks like some factory option!
Really nice for surfboards, windsurfs and stand-up paddle boards.
Anyone can make this picture bigger? Thanks!
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This setup (shown in the ad with the dual surfboards) is actually what came with my rig. Attaching a few pics
_________________ Grant
In the stable: 1986 Syncro Westfalia/Bostig, 1989 Doka Tristar, 1974 Vespa Rally 200, 1973 Vespa Primavera 125, 1963 Solex 2200, 1938 Buick Special
Gone but not forgotten: 1989 Porsche 944, 1973 Standard Beetle |
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Timwhy Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2009 Posts: 4002 Location: Maine
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germanairsucker Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2006 Posts: 24 Location: St-colomban,Quebec,Canada
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:34 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Roof Rack Setup |
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_________________ 1986 Syncro tintop
1991 Carat vanagon weekender
1986 westfalia
1989 wrek Syncro westfalia
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