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52brezelfenster Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2005 Posts: 761 Location: OR
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:55 am Post subject: Barndoor pedal pan |
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What color is a barndoor pedal (splash) pan supposed to be?
Does anyone know what the correct bolt and washer setup is to attach the pedal pan to the underside of a barndoor? Any picts? Phillips head, hex head, etc is the information I'm looking for.
Thanks
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Color: Grey Primer used on Buses
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Drew Ogden Samba Member
Joined: February 19, 2004 Posts: 329 Location: Elbow Cay, Bahamas
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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I believe that they were originally grey, but commonly resprayed black during repaints. |
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52brezelfenster Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks,
Is is a similar shade of grey like intake manifolds from the same era? Sort of a battle ship shade of grey? |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69733 Location: Phoenix Metro
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EverettB Administrator
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bigbulli Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2000 Posts: 575 Location: ENGLAND
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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heres my NOS pedal tray...
_________________ 1954 Barndoor
1955 Oval |
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RockStock Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2004 Posts: 3921 Location: England
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52brezelfenster Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for posting the pictures.
Does anyone have the paint code for that color? |
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RickC Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2001 Posts: 125 Location: Monterey County, CA
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Dustin ... I have all the DuPont Chroma-one and Centauri formulas for the stock "grey" colors for interiors, splash pan, shocks, frame - underside, etc. I'll try to gather them up for you if you want to use DuPont. _________________ Rick Clark in Monterey County, CA USA
... where the surf is happening and the lightweights are standing on the beach, checkin' it out... |
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runewo Samba Member
Joined: December 11, 2004 Posts: 20 Location: Norway
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Cool, I would like to know that DuPont formula as well. We have DuPont at work, but I have not found the gray color yet.. |
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gatorwyatt Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2002 Posts: 1867 Location: Clearwater Fl.
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 3:33 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor pedal pan |
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The best color match I found to the factory gray is RAL7012
_________________ www.blastserv.com
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RHD Barndoor floor mat..reproduction is fine |
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djfordmanjack Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2009 Posts: 2103 Location: Graz, Austria, Europe
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:49 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor pedal pan |
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Basaltgrau was also the best match on my 52 BD chassis !
djfordmanjack wrote: |
saved a little og paint! on this chassis Ral 7012 Basaltgrau is the closest match.
much better than Quarzgrau, which others have used. but as we all know, color of primer was changing over the years and VW used what they had.
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but why is everybody so sure about the pans being grey ? The NOS replacement sure are, like all other factory replacement panels.
but there are many detachable parts on a BD chassis that are painted black.
for starters its the (upper) removable floorboard panel around the pedal assembly. the brake fluid inspection cover. also the oval cover for the steering column hole. the footrest is black. the shifter base too. the bumper and horn brackets are black. also both axles and brakes.
Taking into consideration this photo.
_________________ Hotrods, Fords, Veedubs and Triumph Twins !
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52 Barndoor DLX Coachbuild project
55 Wolfsburg panel project, og paint Taubenblau L31
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EverettB Administrator
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djfordmanjack Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor pedal pan |
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Very interesting ! Seems like another minute BD detail, we don't have a definite answer for.
Maybe an early vs late thing? possibly connected to VIN stamped doors and body parts, mabye the pan was also considered a related 'body' part? when did that end, late 52 or early 53?
maybe both colors were used over the years, depending on which paint was readily available?
this one has been restored, but...
Axel Strüwe's old '50:
from the 1953 Reparaturleitfaden shop manual:
pedal pan shows grey like undercarriage. but so does the bumper bracket
from März 1953 Betriebsanleitung (users manual)
the upper pedal (floor) cover als shows grey ( with an obviously black steering column hole cover). I have only ever seen black floor covers. My July 1953 single cab also had a black pedal (floor) cover. So who knows if we can trust these factory illustrations ? I don't think this particular pic has been heavily touched up. because the floor cover shows the wear/imprint of the waffle rubber floor mat. I don't think they would have faked that in.
_________________ Hotrods, Fords, Veedubs and Triumph Twins !
Barndoor + Kohlruss Coachbuilt and Oval afficionado
52 Barndoor DLX Coachbuild project
55 Wolfsburg panel project, og paint Taubenblau L31
62 Dickholmer, custom color Seeblau L360
63 1500 Notch, og paint Rubin Rot L456
67 1500 Käfer, og paint Lotus weiß L282 w/red interior |
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gatorwyatt Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2002 Posts: 1867 Location: Clearwater Fl.
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:23 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor pedal pan |
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If you look closely my 11/54 pedal floor panel and and the steering tube plate both have the slightest remnants of black paint left on them. _________________ www.blastserv.com
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RHD Barndoor floor mat..reproduction is fine |
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gatorwyatt Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2002 Posts: 1867 Location: Clearwater Fl.
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:56 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor pedal pan |
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djfordmanjack wrote: |
Basaltgrau was also the best match on my 52 BD chassis !
djfordmanjack wrote: |
saved a little og paint! on this chassis Ral 7012 Basaltgrau is the closest match.
much better than Quarzgrau, which others have used. but as we all know, color of primer was changing over the years and VW used what they had.
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but why is everybody so sure about the pans being grey ? The NOS replacement sure are, like all other factory replacement panels.
but there are many detachable parts on a BD chassis that are painted black.
for starters its the (upper) removable floorboard panel around the pedal assembly. the brake fluid inspection cover. also the oval cover for the steering column hole. the footrest is black. the shifter base too. the bumper and horn brackets are black. also both axles and brakes.
Taking into consideration this photo.
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I’m going with black as my evidence points to them being factory black in my truck (11/54) _________________ www.blastserv.com
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RHD Barndoor floor mat..reproduction is fine |
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BeaterBarndoor Samba Member
Joined: December 15, 2000 Posts: 824 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Barndoor pedal pan |
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The pan that came with my 54 , although it had been media blasted , I put tape over a portion to keep an original patch of gray color for reference when Im ready to paint it. I cant claim it as original to the bus though. _________________ www.thebustransfer.com
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djfordmanjack Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2009 Posts: 2103 Location: Graz, Austria, Europe
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor pedal pan |
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IIRC, we were not sure about the orgin of the old undercarriage shot. We don't know if this a German location or not. bus in pic appears to be LHD (mirror).
your truck could be an Australian CKD kit assembled in Australia. so the colors could be different anyways.
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I’m going with black as my evidence points to them being factory black in my truck (11/54) |
_________________ Hotrods, Fords, Veedubs and Triumph Twins !
Barndoor + Kohlruss Coachbuilt and Oval afficionado
52 Barndoor DLX Coachbuild project
55 Wolfsburg panel project, og paint Taubenblau L31
62 Dickholmer, custom color Seeblau L360
63 1500 Notch, og paint Rubin Rot L456
67 1500 Käfer, og paint Lotus weiß L282 w/red interior |
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Lowdown Dirty Rat Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2005 Posts: 877 Location: Cornwall, UK
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: Barndoor pedal pan |
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There is a vintage picture of a Barndoor that’s had an accident as on its side that you can see the pan on.
I don’t have it to hand, but maybe someone else does. It might be in the vintage photo thread? _________________ 1951 Samba 20-017894
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