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hometurbine Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2014 Posts: 157 Location: Cincinnati
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:20 am Post subject: Upgrading to H4 headlights- seal fitment? |
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Hello,
I just got the Hella H4 headlights from Busdepot for my upgrade. They seem to overall fit really nicely. My question is regarding the seal in the back. It's gray and as shown in the post above. I pushed it all the way down and the prongs stick out nicely and the socket seems to fit well. My issue is that the seal doesn't seem to press against the housing to make a seal (see last picture). Did I miss anything obvious? I did try to flip it inside out as mentioned above but don't really see any issues. I can disassemble and take more pictures, if needed.
Thanks _________________ Bill
'75 Westy Bus with Subaru EJ25 engine
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jtauxe Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5778 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Upgrading to H4 headlights? |
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For the OP (RatCamper), in Australia, and jalabert, in New Zealand...
If you are looking for the H4 lights with the integrated parking lights (aka city lights), I refer you to my thread on the subject:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=684259
I have two Type 2 pickups that are Euro-spec, with the extra gray wire in the headlight bucket for the city lights. I eventually figured it out.
You would need a RHD version, of course. Note that while the '78 doka is RHD, it is fitting with LHD headlights, since I drive on the right (to you, wrong) side of the road.
Hope this helps. _________________ John
"Travelling in a fried-out Kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie..." - Colin Hay and Ron Strykert
http://vw.tauxe.net
1969 Transporter, 1971 Westfalia, 1976, 1977, 1976, 1977, 1971, 1973, 1977 Westfalias,
1979 Champagne Sunroof, 1974 Westfalia Automatic, 1979 Transporter, 1972 Sportsmobile, 1973 Transporter Wild Westerner, 1974 Westfalia parts bus, 1975 Mexican single cab *FOR SALE*, 1978 Irish 4-door double cab RHD
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Shonandb Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2019 Posts: 1102 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrading to H4 headlights? |
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Old post but I recently upgraded to H4 headlights from CIP1 and have a question on the light pattern. Low beams seem to shine farther in the distance and are more focused where the high beams are a wider pattern but don't shine as far down the road.
Here are the 2 patterns on my garage door.
High Beam
Low Beam
Does this look right? _________________ *******************************
76 Westy with a 2.5L Subaru SOHC + Vanagon (010) Automatic Transaxle
Build & Trip Thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=758760
Previous 1973 Panel Bus:
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5680 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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telford dorr Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2009 Posts: 3546 Location: San Diego (Encinitas)
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Upgrading to H4 headlights? |
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Sorry, but those patterns look awful! What are you using for bulbs? LED, perchance? _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
'Experience' is the ability to recognize a mistake when you're making it again - Franklin P. Jones
In theory, theory works in practice; in practice, it doesn't - William T. Harbaugh
When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. The pain is only felt by others.
Same thing happens when you're stupid. - Philippe Geluck
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richparker Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 6917 Location: Durango, CO
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Jeff Geisen Samba Chaplain
Joined: December 21, 2004 Posts: 1880 Location: N.W. Georgia
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Upgrading to H4 headlights? |
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You don’t want to blind oncoming drivers?
You’ll be the only one. _________________ I Corinthians 4: 1 thru 5
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Shonandb Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2019 Posts: 1102 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:28 am Post subject: Re: Upgrading to H4 headlights? |
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Thanks for your comments guys.
Something seems off with them, almost as if the light bulbs are not seated properly or the reflective internal surface is not focused where it should be?
I don't know what bulbs they came with but will investigate and make sure it is not something simple.
Additionally, I'll reach out to CIP1 and ask them for their thoughts on this and try to exchange them to see if it was just a bad pair.
I bought a sliding door latch mechanism from them last year that didn't have the latch part and no one noticed... _________________ *******************************
76 Westy with a 2.5L Subaru SOHC + Vanagon (010) Automatic Transaxle
Build & Trip Thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=758760
Previous 1973 Panel Bus:
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ToolBox Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 3439 Location: Detroit, where they don't jack parts off my ride in the parking lot of the 7-11
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Upgrading to H4 headlights? |
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Shonandb wrote: |
Thanks for your comments guys.
Something seems off with them, almost as if the light bulbs are not seated properly or the reflective internal surface is not focused where it should be?
I don't know what bulbs they came with but will investigate and make sure it is not something simple.
Additionally, I'll reach out to CIP1 and ask them for their thoughts on this and try to exchange them to see if it was just a bad pair.
I bought a sliding door latch mechanism from them last year that didn't have the latch part and no one noticed... |
What kind of housings are they? If they are Autopal they just flat out suck. Hella, Bosch or Ciebie are what you want. Also dont go high wattage on the bulbs. A stock 55/60 will be all the light you need in a Bus. |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22403 Location: Escondido CA
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Shonandb Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2019 Posts: 1102 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrading to H4 headlights? |
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Not sure what maker or other details atm, so I'll have to check tonight and report back. _________________ *******************************
76 Westy with a 2.5L Subaru SOHC + Vanagon (010) Automatic Transaxle
Build & Trip Thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=758760
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Shonandb Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2019 Posts: 1102 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrading to H4 headlights? |
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Looks like I bought the Empi's from CIP1.
EMPI 00-9311-0 PAIR OF 7 INCH HALOGEN HEADLIGHT BULBS - WITH 12-VOLT H4 55/60 WATT REPLACEABLE BULBS - SOLD PAIR
Pics of the housings
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76 Westy with a 2.5L Subaru SOHC + Vanagon (010) Automatic Transaxle
Build & Trip Thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=758760
Previous 1973 Panel Bus:
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richparker Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 6917 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrading to H4 headlights? |
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So you didn’t get Hella H4, you got a EMPI knock off.
I’d return them and buy the real Hella H4. You’ll have to buy the bulbs and the housings separately.
Here’s a link, I bought the H4 60/55W bulbs and they are pretty bright.
https://www.busdepot.com/0301600118 _________________ __________
’71 Westy build
Adventure thread
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22403 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:27 am Post subject: Re: Upgrading to H4 headlights? |
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Yeah those look like the garbage ones made in India. When it comes to headlights, Id only buy quality for sure. There are lots of inferior products out there to choose from. _________________
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Shonandb Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2019 Posts: 1102 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Upgrading to H4 headlights? |
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Thanks everyone!
My original sealed beams were terrible so I thought these looked like a good upgrade but after actually using them at night, I realize that these are poor quality. Not sure if CIP1 will take them back as I bought them 6 months ago but I'll try.
On a positive note, the Can/US border is open now and no Covid 19 Test will be needed for short trips (under 72 hours) to the US as of Nov 30th so I can finally order from US suppliers again and have things sent to my PO Box in Washington State. We have gasoline restrictions due to the recent flooding here in the Lower Mainland BC that cut off all of our Hwy's connecting us to the rest of BC & Canada so it will be nice to be able to fill up and do some shopping while South of the border too! _________________ *******************************
76 Westy with a 2.5L Subaru SOHC + Vanagon (010) Automatic Transaxle
Build & Trip Thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=758760
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germansupplyscott Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2004 Posts: 7089 Location: toronto
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Upgrading to H4 headlights? |
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The Hella 70476 is not DOT approved. The Hella 70477 is DOT legal. There isn't a big difference in the prices, but the DOT legal are more $.
I agree with the comments above about the Hella H4 being pretty much the best option. There used to be a very good quality Bosch H4 unit but they seem to have disappeared. _________________ SL |
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ToolBox Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 3439 Location: Detroit, where they don't jack parts off my ride in the parking lot of the 7-11
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5680 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Upgrading to H4 headlights? |
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If you've got H4 housings, 9003 bulbs may be used in them. They aren't 100% exactly the same, but are very, very close (to the point that most would never notice the difference) and 9003s are much more easily found at about any FLAPS or WalMart or whatever should you have a bulb burn out.
...A fact I wish I had known when, due to use on washboard roads, both low beams burned out on my Bus a few years ago. After departing the group I was with. And I didn't have a spare like I thought I did.
So I had to travel with high beams, but they are very bright and it was dusk and rainy. Ended up pulling the fuse for the driver side bulb to avoid blinding people as badly. _________________ Dave Cook
President, Wild Westerner Club
1978 Champagne Edition Westy, repowered to '97 Jetta TDI
1973 Wild Westerner
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NASkeet Samba Member
Joined: April 29, 2006 Posts: 2942 Location: South Benfleet, Essex, UK
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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Wild Bill wrote: |
I'm running 80/100 H4 lights and 100 watt Hella Driving Lights. Sure hope that someone doesn't dim those high beams....heh heh
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I have had 100/80W H4 quartz-halogen bulbs, with P45t mounting flanges (same as the 45/40W glass-envelope bulbs) in my RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 headlamps since circa 1988/89.
_________________ Regards.
Nigel A. Skeet
Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
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Emily's Owner Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2004 Posts: 973 Location: Canby, Oregon
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Upgrading to H4 headlights? |
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Gotta say my H4's are the best upgrade my bus has had (came off our old Ford van in 1981 when my dad bought a new one) over the years.
I'm sure I'm running the not DOT approved bulbs, but no one has complained... yet _________________ Xargaret
ITMC - OG Den Mother
What (and I cannot stress this enough) The Actual Fuck?!
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