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Tim Donahoe
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Juki, sounds like a great idea.
Thanks!
Tim |
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juki48
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I did this job about thirty years ago and I remember having the hardest time pounding in the axel shaft after I changed the bearings. It took forever and made me never again want to change them out again. But I have a little play, and have to do it sooner or later.
Any tips on how to do this part of the job?
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I had this problem last night while doing my bearings. I used the old bearings as spacers and used the axle nut to pull the axle into the new bearings (brake drums off). I started with no spacers and as the axle pulled through the bearings I would take off the nut and add another old bearing or bearing race to the stack. to get started I had to remove the outer bearing cap/seal to get the nut on the threads. this worked great and did not require any hammering against the new bearings.
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Tim Donahoe
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I did this job about thirty years ago and I remember having the hardest time pounding in the axel shaft after I changed the bearings. It took forever and made me never again want to change them out again. But I have a little play, and have to do it sooner or later.
Any tips on how to do this part of the job?
Tim |
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juki48
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| what is the best way to get the outer bearing out? |
Take a long punch or rod and insert it into the bearing area from the transmission side. Place the rod or punch against the outer circumference of the bearing housing and tap it out from the inside, moving the rod or punch to oppsite sides of the bearing housing on every other wack. |
thanks, got them out. had to work around the bearing spacer in there but a few taps and they fell out. the inner bearings took quite a few more taps but came out fine.
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Blue69Baja
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Great pix's Drgeo!
In this pix you posted I notice no grease inside of the axle hub.
There needs to be grease in there! Couple of heaping tablespoons! did you put some grease in there?
Check your Bently for the exact spec..
If no grease in there the bearings can run dry when heated up. All vehicles need grease in this chamber, unless the bearings are sealed type.
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Tim Donahoe
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dr geo, thanks for putting in new pics that work.
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beetlenut
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| what is the best way to get the outer bearing out? |
Take a long punch or rod and insert it into the bearing area from the transmission side. Place the rod or punch against the outer circumference of the bearing housing and tap it out from the inside, moving the rod or punch to oppsite sides of the bearing housing on every other wack.
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juki48
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what is the best way to get the outer bearing out?
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that link didnt work for me |
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drgeoscott
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Some new pictures for some clarity. The others appear to have gone missing.
I use steel wool to clean the bearing carrier.
I tap it in with a hard rubber mallet and then use a socket or punch to drive it home.
Make sure it gets past the circlip slot.
I put the top of the ring in the bearing carrier and then squeeze the circlip shut with the ring pliers. Once started I just push it pack with a screwdriver until seated.
Tap the seal in and then drive it home with a socket. It doesn't have to be the size of the seal, just large and smooth. Work your way around until it seats against the circlip.
Make sure to put your spacer with the convex side down onto your stub.
The stub is ready to be put in. I drive it in with a soft mallet. Using a block of wood and a hammer would work to.
Hope all goes well. Spin that hub and make sure the bearing is good before continuing. I have had noisy/bad bearings right out of the box.
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gevmage
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: WHAT DOES THE CLIP LOOK LIKE HOLDING THE INNER BEARING I |
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| WE LOOKED AND WHIPED ALL GREASE OUT OF THE SHAFT AND STILL CAN'T SEE A C CLIP WOULD LOVE A PICTURE OF THE AXLE SHAFT TO SEE WHAT WE ARE MISSING. |
You can see lots of pictures of rear bearing dis-assembly and re-assembly on a 1972 Super on these archive pages:
http://www.craigsteffen.net/blog_archive/2008_01_01_archive.php
http://www.craigsteffen.net/blog_archive/2008_02_01_archive.php
http://www.craigsteffen.net/blog_archive/2008_03_01_archive.php
Here's the picture of the inner (ball) bearing installed with its circlip. This is from the INSIDE of the bearing (looking from where the transmission is).
So are you trying to assemble the rear bearings and don't know where the pieces go? Or are you trying to dis-assemble the bearings and you can't find the circlip to get the ball bearing out?
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SCARE CROW
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:12 pm Post subject: WHAT DOES THE CLIP LOOK LIKE HOLDING THE INNER BEARING IN |
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WE LOOKED AND WHIPED ALL GREASE OUT OF THE SHAFT AND STILL CAN'T SEE A C CLIP WOULD LOVE A PICTURE OF THE AXLE SHAFT TO SEE WHAT WE ARE MISSING. WOULD LIKE TO GET IT TOGETHER SO I CAN GO FOR A RIDE ON OUR VW TRIKE. ITS A 76 VW BEETLE REAREND ON THE TRIKE, GOT THE BEARING JUST NEED TO GET IT IN.    |
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gevmage
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I upgraded blogging software Christmas 2009. Doing that removed the individual posts that I likd to above.
I've just gone through and put back the archives. So the individual links above still won't work, but the posts still exist, embedded in the monthly summary posts. Here are new links to replace the above ones:
http://www.craigsteffen.net/blog_archive/2008_01_01_archive.php
http://www.craigsteffen.net/blog_archive/2008_02_01_archive.php
Please let me know if I've missed any photos that anyone needs.
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Steenkbug
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spent a ton of time and had much difficulty in finally bending the the hell out of my circlip to pull it up and over this old grease seal ring.
OUCH.
Does anyone have a spare circlip?
Hopefully someone will find this post && not do what I did.
Thanks,
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I did the same thing. In fact, I mangled the hell out of my trailing arms and had to dremel down some of the bearing housings. Check your local VW shop. They should carry the circlips, if not I believe Ive seen them online too.
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brice
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| Make sure you get all the grease out and off. It may just look like something is in the way but it's probably just old hard grease. It is a stiff circlip. You have the right idea. Squeeze it together and get one end up and out of the groove. When you get about 1/3 of the ring out, the rest will come out easy. Use some 0000 steel wool and either mineral spirits or acetone to get the rest of the old seal off. |
John,
You were absolutely right. Being the complete numbskull that I am, I mistook the old grease seal as a part of the hub. The old grease seal has a metal ring in it (not the spring, but a 1/4" ring of metal!) which I
a) spent a lot of time chiseling away the grease seal's rubber from and -WORSE YET -
b) spent a ton of time and had much difficulty in finally bending the the hell out of my circlip to pull it up and over this old grease seal ring.
OUCH.
Does anyone have a spare circlip?
Hopefully someone will find this post && not do what I did.
Thanks,
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Steenkbug
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I actually used a 'puller' to get my axles out. (The one with 2 - 3 claws) this put direct pressure on the axle stub, and pushed it right out. I have both sets of bearings replaced, and I just need to reassemble them. Ive been procrastinating on this way too long...
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BugMan114
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when the axle is hard to come out, i use a large axe i have. not sure how much it weighs, but its friggin huge. anyhoo, when an axle won't come out, i lean a big old piece of flat plate against the axle, and basically give it one hell of a whack. i learned the hardway, to place a piece of plywood between the axle and tranny, cause it will usually shoot out at great velocity. 
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johneliot
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Make sure you get all the grease out and off. It may just look like something is in the way but it's probably just old hard grease. It is a stiff circlip. You have the right idea. Squeeze it together and get one end up and out of the groove. When you get about 1/3 of the ring out, the rest will come out easy. Use some 0000 steel wool and either mineral spirits or acetone to get the rest of the old seal off.
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