Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
Rebuilding your 56 to 61 fuel reserve tap.
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Forum Index -> Beetle - 1958-1967 Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
otis_bartleh
Samba Member


Joined: August 19, 2009
Posts: 1106
Location: Burlington, WA
otis_bartleh is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this look like it is able to be saved? I picked up the rebuild kit from WW, just need to try and figure the best way to clean this, if it is even worth it.

The tubes look pretty bad, and the gas that was in the tank got all gummed up, the bus sat for ~20 years. The valve movement is kind of tough, but I think the rebuild kit will fix that as I can move the valve by hand without much force...

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

_________________
-Adam
'59 Mango Bus
'11 Golf TDI 6-speed
'69 Bug
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Major Woody
Samba Enigma


Joined: December 04, 2002
Posts: 9010
Location: Portland, OR
Major Woody is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That can definitely be saved. Remove the lever, the retaining pin, and the guts, Clean everything and smooth out the contact surfaces. Remove the reserve tube and drill out the other one for a replacement. Press in new pickup tube, reinstall lever and reinstall into bus.
Or sell that one to me for a few bucks and get brand new one depending on what your time is worth.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
otis_bartleh
Samba Member


Joined: August 19, 2009
Posts: 1106
Location: Burlington, WA
otis_bartleh is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major Woody wrote:
That can definitely be saved. Remove the lever, the retaining pin, and the guts, Clean everything and smooth out the contact surfaces. Remove the reserve tube and drill out the other one for a replacement. Press in new pickup tube, reinstall lever and reinstall into bus.
Or sell that one to me for a few bucks and get brand new one depending on what your time is worth.


Cool, thanks, was hoping it'd be fine. I'd rather try and rebuild this one than buy a new one. Really wasn't sure if I should try and clean the tubes or go all out and replace them, but replacing them seems the right thing to do. This thread has some great info and great pics, thanks to everyone!
_________________
-Adam
'59 Mango Bus
'11 Golf TDI 6-speed
'69 Bug
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
technik
Samba Member


Joined: September 03, 2005
Posts: 379
Location: Melbourne, Australia
technik is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

great thread!
I removed the retaining clip but I cant pull off the cap! I've tried everything.
I think I may have pierced it too Sad

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Eric&Barb
Samba Member


Joined: September 19, 2004
Posts: 24764
Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
Eric&Barb is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the selector move/rotate inside the switch body?
_________________
In Stereo, Where Available!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
technik
Samba Member


Joined: September 03, 2005
Posts: 379
Location: Melbourne, Australia
technik is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it moves
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Eric&Barb
Samba Member


Joined: September 19, 2004
Posts: 24764
Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
Eric&Barb is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you tried a bit of oil in there and twist/pull it?
_________________
In Stereo, Where Available!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
eeclark
Samba Member


Joined: June 14, 2005
Posts: 257
Location: Indiana
eeclark is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:07 pm    Post subject: Empty gas tank first? Reply with quote

I know some of you experienced guys might scoff, but I have to ask...should the gas tank be empty when I go to remove this from the car?

I am thinking it should be but I did not see anyone mention it.
Thanks
_________________
Ed
-------------------------------------
1958 VW Euro Beetle from Sweden
1969 VW Type 3 Fastback from California
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Eric&Barb
Samba Member


Joined: September 19, 2004
Posts: 24764
Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
Eric&Barb is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Empty gas tank first? Reply with quote

eeclark wrote:
I know some of you experienced guys might scoff, but I have to ask...should the gas tank be empty when I go to remove this from the car?


Best if empty. Fuel does weight down a tank so the more in there the more problem it is to pull out.
_________________
In Stereo, Where Available!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
eeclark
Samba Member


Joined: June 14, 2005
Posts: 257
Location: Indiana
eeclark is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So a follow up question then is are you saying the whole tank has to be removed to remove the reserve valve?
_________________
Ed
-------------------------------------
1958 VW Euro Beetle from Sweden
1969 VW Type 3 Fastback from California
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Eric&Barb
Samba Member


Joined: September 19, 2004
Posts: 24764
Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
Eric&Barb is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eeclark wrote:
So a follow up question then is are you saying the whole tank has to be removed to remove the reserve valve?


It can be done in the VW, with passenger side wheel removed, but not easily. Assuming the reserve tap is not corroded into place, if it is corroded then it can be impossible....
_________________
In Stereo, Where Available!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
eeclark
Samba Member


Joined: June 14, 2005
Posts: 257
Location: Indiana
eeclark is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks
_________________
Ed
-------------------------------------
1958 VW Euro Beetle from Sweden
1969 VW Type 3 Fastback from California
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
John O'Sullivan
Samba Member


Joined: January 05, 2005
Posts: 2

John O'Sullivan is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
Can you tell me if the reserve valve is just screwed metal to metal when screwing it into the tank ?
John
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Classifieds Feedback
Eric&Barb
Samba Member


Joined: September 19, 2004
Posts: 24764
Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
Eric&Barb is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the exploded diagram on page 3. While there is metal to metal contact, there is also gaskets, fuel filter sock in there...
_________________
In Stereo, Where Available!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Schwing
Samba Member


Joined: May 10, 2009
Posts: 2506
Location: Centreville, MD
Schwing is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John O'Sullivan wrote:
Hi
Can you tell me if the reserve valve is just screwed metal to metal when screwing it into the tank ?
John


I used a skim coat of permatex on the thread. Nothing crazy but it made me feel better.
_________________
Shadetree Westy
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=657279&highlight=

Single Cab - BBXXVII Long Distance Winner
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Facebook Instagram Gallery Classifieds Feedback
panicman
Samba Member


Joined: December 18, 2011
Posts: 2290
Location: Canby, OR
panicman is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just lived through 'leaky reserve tap' hell. I got great advice to thread the tap to the tank this way:

1. Clean everything religiously; threading the 3 parts together must be perfectly smooth, not rough and grabby. You should have a very clean a.)tap, b.) threaded collar, & c.) gas tank threaded orifice.
2. Tank out is easiest- hold the rh/lh threaded collar over the tank orifice, and hold the tap over it, oriented correctly from the start.
3. Gently mate the peices, rotating ONLY the collar with your fingers. Hand tighten to solid, then a final tighten with a wrench.
4. I then bench tested the joint by pouring gas into the tank, and watching it for 4 hours. No leaks, I went ahead and installed.

If you don't do it as described, you will likely have a fuel leak. I applied white lithium to the threads. You shouldn't use plumbers tape, epoxy, or anything else, it should really be a metal to metal thread, with lube of some kind only if you prefer it.

Here is a link to my troubles:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=567185&highlight=reserve+tap

And a picture:
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


I hope this helps!
_________________
Plate of shrimp


Last edited by panicman on Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:17 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Schwing
Samba Member


Joined: May 10, 2009
Posts: 2506
Location: Centreville, MD
Schwing is offline 

PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

panicman wrote:
I just lived through 'leaky reserve tap' hell. I got great advice to thread the tap to the tank this way:

1. Clean everything religiously; threading the 3 parts together must be perfectly smooth, not rough and grabby. You should have a very clean a.)tap, b.) threaded collar, & c.) gas tank threaded orifice.
2. Tank out is easiest- hold the rh/lh threaded collar over the tank orifice, and hold the tap over it, oriented correctly from the start.
3. Gently mate the peices, rotating ONLY the collar with your fingers. Hand tighten to solid, then a final tighten with a wrench.
4. I then bench tested the joint by pouring gas into the tank, and watching it for 4 hours. No leaks, I went ahead and installed.

If you don't do it as described, you will likely have a fuel leak. I applied white lithium to the threads. You shouldn't use plumbers tape, epoxy, or anything else, it should really be a metal to metal thread, with lube of some kind only if you prefer it.

Here is a link to my troubles:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=567185&highlight=reserve+tap

I hope this helps!


By the way that's great advice. I did the same thing and installed my reserve, added fuel and let the tank rest on a dry 5 gallon bucket. Next morning no fuel in the bucket so I knew I could install. Wink
_________________
Shadetree Westy
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=657279&highlight=

Single Cab - BBXXVII Long Distance Winner
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Facebook Instagram Gallery Classifieds Feedback
beth percola
Samba Member


Joined: March 13, 2011
Posts: 12
Location: socal
beth percola is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:45 pm    Post subject: CANT get the retaining clip to go back on Reply with quote

what a bitch
i have the tap in a vise and I have tryed a deep socket to help getting the c clip in...I have tryed a couple different ways but it keeps popping out any great ideas ??
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Classifieds Feedback
Eric&Barb
Samba Member


Joined: September 19, 2004
Posts: 24764
Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
Eric&Barb is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you made sure the slot for the clip is clean of debris and not damaged?
_________________
In Stereo, Where Available!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
akomjathy
Samba Member


Joined: October 15, 2004
Posts: 208

akomjathy is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:40 pm    Post subject: fuel tap seal hard or soft? Reply with quote

Anybody has an idea, if a NOS fuel tap seal should be hard or soft?? I bought some NOS fuel tap seals and I received some seals as hard as a stone. When I wanted to replace it in my original fuel tap (which is sitting on the shelf for more than 10 years) I realized that the original fuel tap seal is still soft.

Thanks for your help!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Beetle - 1958-1967 All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Page 4 of 7

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2023, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB
Links to eBay or other vendor sites may be affiliate links where the site receives compensation.