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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vanagonner wrote:
I have had my Ford heater core in for a year now, it still works fine. *edit* it warms the van just fine, doesn't smell and doesn't leak. *edit*


This is from the newer thread.

In Search of the Perfect $50 Heater Core
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vanagonner: Any update on long-term effectiveness &/or concerns with this install? Inquiring minds...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the heater back in, just in time for a blast of cold and snow this weekend. It works fine.
It is plenty hot enough for me, when cruising on the flats it is hot but I'm able to keep my hand over the defroster vent, though it is uncomfortable there. On a grade of any kind it gets too uncomfortably hot to keep my hand over it. Mark at Frey's in Boulder made me an offer I couldn't refuse on a new blower fan, so that is all happy now too (thanks). The only thing I'd do differently is check out the Grenada core, but I didn't know about that one at the time I bought "the probe".
It is so nice to have clean heat I can't tell you. I did pressure wash the core when I got it-something I'd reccomend. All of the soundproofing I did is really nice too. A good day.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks T.K.,
I appreciate the ingenuity that you and Ken have had in getting replacement cores made. For those who have more money than time, or shops who want to provide the best repair for a customer who has the money, yours fill a need.
Having an alternative that works for 1/10 th of the cost for DIY'rs is important too, especially in these times. Thank you for not flaming us.
My headgasket went bad so I'll be changing that on Sunday, If all goes well I'll let you know how the heater works next week.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No you guys--whatever trips your trigger.

If you have the time to do some chopping, filling, re-arranging--go for it.

Me, myself and I would much rather get that heater box outa the dash, clean it up, reseal the heater door's, install a new moter, and drop in a dirct fit high flow VW vanagon spec'ed core and be done with it for another 20 some years.

If the front heater box was an easy to get to item--I agree with you.
Whatever kinda, sorta fits would be OK with me too.

The penelty is too overbearing to be hoping that an also may work core is the answer.
I for one would surely hate the thought of doing the job twice after I found out a Citroen , or a Trabat front core super glued in the heater box didn't crank out the required BTU's.

I wish you heating engineer's all the luck in your supplimentary heater core endeavor.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Terry kay is going to murder all of you. Laughing


Too Funny!

I was thinking the exact same thing!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a bump for a great post!!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terry kay is going to murder all of you. Laughing


looks like I got some hackin to do in my dash, these babies are going to do the trick!

thanks dude
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oooo, Ahhh!
I like yours even better Chris! Very nice. I'm working with mine obviously, but if I had to do it from scratch I'd rather have the inlet/outlet tubes more to one side. Very good.
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(p.s., some other time I'll post the NLA motor mount replacement I found for 6 bucks, last asking price for genuine was $200- Ha!)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is another couple that could possibly work great.

1975 Ford Granada 5.0 with A/C - 8" x 6" x 2" - 5/8" inlet/outlet (might be too thick, but I don't think so) - $29.79 at Rockauto

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1998 Ford Mustang 4.6/3.8 - 7-1/16" x 6-1/16 x 1-1/4 - 5/8" inlet/outlet (might be too thin, but should be able to be mae to work) - $37.79 at Rockauto

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For anybody who wants to spend the time looking for a other alternatives, check out this site:

http://www.transpro.com/catalog?searcher%5Byear%5D...les=SEARCH

You can check out the dimensions of thousands of heater cores and other things.

If you happen to look at the Vanagon heater core dimensions, they only list the rear core, not the front.

The dimensions of the Vanagon front heater core are:

17-1/4" (including end tanks, but not including inlet/outlet tubes) x 6-3/16" x 1-15/16" - 5/8" inlet/outlet

That length above is the actual overall length, but I am pretty sure that the dimensions listed on that site are the actual core dimensions, so the end tanks are not taken into consideration nor are the inlet/outlet tubes.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edgood1 wrote:


Posts like this one deserve encouragement!



I agree 100%!!! Nice job!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am currently running my daily driver van front heater strictly with recirculated air by using a blockoff plate across the opening where the heater box attaches to the body. Recirculated cabin air enters via the openings in the housing that went to the side dash outlets. I made aluminum tubes that route the air in and to the fan motor. When I have more time and enough room to get the van in my garage I plan on making cable controlled doors in the block off plate so that I can control the amount of air entering from there rather than just having all or nothing. The recirculated air system works but I believe that it is too restrictive as the side ducts are much smaller than the original outside air intake. Plan "B" is to just make a couple openings in the blockoff plate allowing some air to pass but much less than originally designed. My goal is to increase the cabin temperature on cold mornings as it takes too long to get the interior warm on subzero days.


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FYI The other changes I'm making to the "climate system" are to simplify it.
I only want three things from my heater- Fan control, temp control, and up and down. So I disabled two of the flappers- the one to the back is now closed, the one to the heater core is always open. I removed the upper flappers to intake warmer cabin air into the box from the side holes (recirc) and blocked 75% of the fresh intake area- so I'll still have a mixture of fresh air all of the time but not a giant scoop from the outside anymore. That's what windows are for...

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, this is great! Nice work, and thanks for sharing.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's great to find work arounds when parts are NLA. This heater core is a great replacement part for something you can no longer find. I only object when people try to remove a function or fix it with tape and gum when the fix with stock parts is only $50 to start with. If the parts are available and reasonable, do it right. If not, I love the ingenuity found here by others! It's a great resource. The replacement headlight adjuster is another one. Great work!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vanagonner wrote:

Some things cannot be cross-fit to make things work- like a windshield. But a heater core is something you don't even see ; what difference does it make to have it original (except for exact restorations or concours show cars)? I am not down on nice restorations, but I am glad that there is room on this board for owners of all kinds including those of us keeping the daily driver alive on a tight budget.
I'll let you know how it works.


I agree completely. Finding closely interchangeable (or not) items and making them fit to save money or work better is the fun of having these vans.

The funny thing is that even the nicest looking "restored" vanagon at a show is NEVER going to get dinged for an "incorrect" heater core... the only person who will ever about it is the owner (or IF it ever needs to be replaced)...and apparently it bothers those people enough to yell at the rest of us when we put ford parts in our vans.... maybe they should be driving vintage mustangs instead of vw vans.

I don't mind having an illegitimate syncro westy with a non vw motor. It does everything that the $90,000 show version does and more at a fraction of the cost.

I know I might be overstating this a bit here, I may be venting from previous samba naysayers' posts in the past. I apologies for that, but I'm sure the good spirited samba members know what I mean.

Posts like this one deserve encouragement!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found it by going into an autoparts store when they weren't too busy, and they let me look at their catalogue with pictures and dimensions. I was looking for 2 of the three dimensions to be correct, the breadth and thickness; I considered the length to be ok as a variable. I also looked for the tubes to both come out of one end straight. I went home with part numbers from ones that had potential and did internet searches to see what cars they were for, and narrowed it down to this one for price and availability. I also had a very patent older guy who ran number after number at the counter to help me narrow it down at the store. Some of the cores that might have worked were either NLA or $100.
Some things cannot be cross-fit to make things work- like a windshield. But a heater core is something you don't even see ; what difference does it make to have it original (except for exact restorations or concours show cars)? I am not down on nice restorations, but I am glad that there is room on this board for owners of all kinds including those of us keeping the daily driver alive on a tight budget.
I'll let you know how it works.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vanagoneer -- fantastic post!

I think we've all been looking for exactly this for a while. there have been a few posts regarding heater core compatibility.

How did you find that this heater core would fit? Was it trial and error or did you find a search engine where you could enter dimensions? (I tried and failed to find such a search engine).


Please let us know how the heater output is once you get it all back together. I suspect it will be just as good if not better than the original.

I also commend you for going against the thesamba flow. There often seems to be negativity and flames for these types of posts and I think you deserve accolades for your ingenuity.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well while you're at it, throw me one'a them elk steaks. Man, that stuff is good!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, it's like I'd just hauled an elk back to camp or something. Very Happy
Tencent, you are welcome to it!
Thanks for all the kind words, everybody.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh boy, is someone gonna open a can o' whoopass on you! :

"You can't do that! Why, it'll... it'll....it'll.........it'll work!"


Good find, and nice job. Fifty bucks is what a heater core is supposed to cost! You'll get all the heat out of that you need, no problem.

Love the disclaimer at the beginning. Can I borrow that for my sig line?
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