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Christopher Schimke Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:32 am Post subject: New VW/Porsche flat-four? |
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I just read a small blurb, in the new Car and Driver, that rumors coming out of VW's Wolfsburg headquarters seem to indicate that they may be planning a new flat-four in the 120 hp, 200, hp and 300 hp versions that could find their way into everything from a new baby Boxster type car to the New Beetle.
Has anybody heard anything else about this? Twood be cool! _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
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vwlovr Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:45 am Post subject: |
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i have read about a 4 banger porsche, but i haven't read about it used in vw's. |
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D Clymer Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: Re: New VW/Porsche flat-four? |
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loogy wrote: |
I just read a small blurb, in the new Car and Driver, that rumors coming out of VW's Wolfsburg headquarters seem to indicate that they may be planning a new flat-four in the 120 hp, 200, hp and 300 hp versions that could find their way into everything from a new baby Boxster type car to the New Beetle.
Has anybody heard anything else about this? Twood be cool! |
Hey Chris,
Yeah, I read that too and I started dreaming about the day in the near future when I can put a modern "Wasserboxer" in a Vanagon. The other exciting thing that would come from a rear engined New Beetle is a modern 5 or 6 speed transaxle suitable for a rear engine configuration.
Unfortunately, such a car has to be one generation away. With the current New Beetle on its last year, I believe there is a Mk 5/6 based successor due to launch in 2011. Maybe they will do a Microbus or Karmann Ghia first?
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Franklinstower Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:04 am Post subject: Re: New VW/Porsche flat-four? |
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loogy wrote: |
I just read a small blurb, in the new Car and Driver, that rumors coming out of VW's Wolfsburg headquarters seem to indicate that they may be planning a new flat-four in the 120 hp, 200, hp and 300 hp versions that could find their way into everything from a new baby Boxster type car to the New Beetle.
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I heard on the news last week that VW announced they are stopping production of the new beattle - I think after 2010. Also, I read yesterday VW bought a stake in Suzuki? _________________ '89 Westy - EJ25/22 Frank 4.44 5mt
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a914622 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Iv heard rumor of a flat 4 - retro 914 maybe going into production. I think I remember it was going to be based on/ or in partnership with Subaru sti .
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danfromsyr Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:00 am Post subject: Re: New VW/Porsche flat-four? |
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D Clymer wrote: |
Maybe they will do a Microbus or Karmann Ghia first?
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I've always been of the belief that the Audi TT is/should have been the modern Karmann Ghia. it's not a far stretch of the lines to believe, and Karmann does mfg the body.
BUT, it's badged as an AUDI so there'd never be any tie in to the VW namesake of old. for shame. Audi still carries an elitist air within it's parent company of VW.
of course I still believe the vanagons would have been a much better seller if in 1986 they teamed with Audi for a 5cylinder Quattro vanagon instead of the modified wasserboxer Syncros.
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Christopher Schimke Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:21 am Post subject: |
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I agree that a new version of a Ghia could be a great car. So would a new 914.
According Motorauthority.com -
"A Porsche engineer has stated at an Australian press conference that Porsche is not averse to using four-cylinder engines, should the need arise. Thomas Krickelberg, Porsche's head of powertrain development, revealed that the six-cylinder engines found in the 911 had been designed so that they could have the number of their cylinders reduced if there was a "strong need to do it."
Interesting! _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
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Christopher Schimke Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:25 am Post subject: |
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"As for the Porsche model, any 914 would almost certainly have one of the automaker's flat sixes on board, with the 2.7-liter base engine from the Boxster being the most likely candidate. Rumors have also been circulating recently about the possibility of Porsche returning to four cylinder power, with the 914 being an extremely logical candidate for an engine smaller than six cylinders. The original four cylinder 914 was more popular than the six."
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/112_0809_future_vw_porsche_914/index.html _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
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D Clymer Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Back when the 986 Boxster first debuted in 1996, the original plan was for a 2.0 liter four cylinder version of the M96 engine family for a base model Boxster. However, the bar was raised hp wise by the SLK and a low powered base model Boxster no longer made sense. It would be nice to see a basic flat 4 in the lineup finally.
My understanding is that Porsche will launch a whole new engine family of boxer engines for the upcoming cars. This is a good thing, since the M96 watercooled flat 6 has been a disaster in terms of durability.
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Gorge Runner Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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a914622 wrote: |
. . . I think I remember it was going to be based on/ or in partnership with Subaru sti .
jcl |
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randywebb Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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yes, there are rumors of a new sports car, slotted below the Boxster
BUT, a sports car motor will be unsuitable for a Vanagon |
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BlackDogVan Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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randywebb wrote: |
yes, there are rumors of a new sports car, slotted below the Boxster
BUT, a sports car motor will be unsuitable for a Vanagon |
HUH? You said wha?? |
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Dingchowping Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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loogy wrote: |
"As for the Porsche model, any 914 would almost certainly have one of the automaker's flat sixes on board, with the 2.7-liter base engine from the Boxster being the most likely candidate. Rumors have also been circulating recently about the possibility of Porsche returning to four cylinder power, with the 914 being an extremely logical candidate for an engine smaller than six cylinders. The original four cylinder 914 was more popular than the six."
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/112_0809_future_vw_porsche_914/index.html |
That article is over a year old and in that time some of the rumors mentioned have been confirmed, some denied. In the year that's passed VW has teased us with this:
http://www.vw.com/upcomingcars/bluesportconcept/en/us/
All indications are it will go into production, and come to the US (if it does it damned well better come with the 170hp TDI used in the concept!). Now the rumors floating around are Audi will use the Bluesport chasis as a platform for the 3rd gen TT and Porsche will use it either for a Boxster replacement or for a model positioned below the Bosxter. If the latter is true it will most likely use VW inline 4 cylinder engines. No word yet if they'll market it as a 914 successor. _________________ TTFN,
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Christopher Schimke Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Dingchowping wrote: |
loogy wrote: |
"As for the Porsche model, any 914 would almost certainly have one of the automaker's flat sixes on board, with the 2.7-liter base engine from the Boxster being the most likely candidate. Rumors have also been circulating recently about the possibility of Porsche returning to four cylinder power, with the 914 being an extremely logical candidate for an engine smaller than six cylinders. The original four cylinder 914 was more popular than the six."
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/112_0809_future_vw_porsche_914/index.html |
That article is over a year old and in that time some of the rumors mentioned have been confirmed, some denied. In the year that's passed VW has teased us with this:
http://www.vw.com/upcomingcars/bluesportconcept/en/us/
All indications are it will go into production, and come to the US (if it does it damned well better come with the 170hp TDI used in the concept!). Now the rumors floating around are Audi will use the Bluesport chasis as a platform for the 3rd gen TT and Porsche will use it either for a Boxster replacement or for a model positioned below the Bosxter. If the latter is true it will most likely use VW inline 4 cylinder engines. No word yet if they'll market it as a 914 successor. |
As shown in red highlighted area, I was mostly referring to flat-four engine sighted in that article, but thanks! _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
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240Gordy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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It looks like the motivation for a 4 cylinder is stricter CO2 emissions regs in certain markets. Likely Germany, they are on a very green push there, and they don't want to give up their unlimited speed autobahns to reduce CO2.
The next Boxster is supposed to be a much lighter car, making a 4 cylinder turbo a reasonable proposition. The Cayman would be based on the same program. Sales of lots of entry level 4cyl turbo Boxsters and Caymans would bring the corporate average way down, allowing them to keep building the big money making Cayennes. _________________ Tencentlife said,
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M_atthewanderson Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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I found where I had read this before
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/244381/
They talk that it will have a form of forced induction. I think that this was written a few weeks before VW bought half of Porsche though. _________________ 1980 2.0 Sunroof Vanagon |
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Gorge Runner Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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randywebb wrote: |
yes, there are rumors of a new sports car, slotted below the Boxster
BUT, a sports car motor will be unsuitable for a Vanagon |
Totally agree! _________________ 91 Carat
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joetiger Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, such a car has to be one generation away. With the current New Beetle on its last year, I believe there is a Mk 5/6 based successor due to launch in 2011. |
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BlackDogVan Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Gorge Runner wrote: |
randywebb wrote: |
yes, there are rumors of a new sports car, slotted below the Boxster
BUT, a sports car motor will be unsuitable for a Vanagon |
Totally agree! |
Pretty broad generalization that statement. 1.8t, subi, audi 5 cyl, VR6 etc are "sports car" engines.
4 cylinder most likely turbocharged boxer engine from porsche would be pretty sweet. |
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