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74Ghia Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2003 Posts: 2131 Location: Middle of Georgia
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: Autostick |
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I have seen discussion and several topics about autosticks. Some say they're good and some say not so good. From my understanding of how the system works, there's not a whole lot of difference between stick and autostick. You still have to shift right? And that leads to my question. Is there a book that explains the autostick and how it works? Just trying to understand more about our beloved Ghias. Thanks and from my family to your, we wish you all a happy holiday. _________________ Allen C.
2012 Silverado
53 FiberFab MG TD Replica (VW)
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NOVA Airhead Samba Member
Joined: July 20, 2005 Posts: 5221 Location: Richmond, VA
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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Check out the vwar site for how the AS works:
http://www.vwar.org/
When I owned my AS Ghia I generally did not leave the car in the high range all the time. I usually shifted through the gears. I believe this is better for the transmission - at least in certain driving conditions.
While you still need to shift it is not nearly as much as a manual car - and of course there is no clutch - very useful in traffic.
An AS car can be very enjoyable to drive - depending on the type of driving you do. I liked the one I had and would not hesitate to buy another. _________________ Ghia Owner Emeritus |
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70 140 Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2002 Posts: 8471 Location: Ontario Canada
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Ghiaddict Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2002 Posts: 2632 Location: Now in Honea Path, SC
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Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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The orange Bentley Manual has a 40-page section on the
Automatic Stick Shift transmission. Description, repair and
maintenance all covered very well.
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Karmann Ghia & Beetle parts available.
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74Ghia Samba Member
Joined: December 17, 2003 Posts: 2131 Location: Middle of Georgia
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:27 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the replys. I have seen the section on the autostick in my orange Bentley manual but that covers maintenance mostly and the description and how tos are lacking. I'm more interested in something like theory behind the auto sticks and their operation. I'll check those other sites over the holiday. I plan on relaxing and doing some reading while I'm up in the frozen north tundra. _________________ Allen C.
2012 Silverado
53 FiberFab MG TD Replica (VW)
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Ghia Nut Samba Member
Joined: December 23, 2003 Posts: 1565 Location: B'ham Alabama
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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I had one in my ghia and it is now sitting in the garage collecting dust. My parents complained that it was very lagy when taking off in the car and it would hesitate... this is either because of the carb issue or there pressure servo was not tuned correctly. The extra parts needed to run it to me were not worth it. _________________ '59 typ1 rajay turbo
'72 Ghia rajay 1641 dual 36DRLAs, 1 3/8" SS merged header and fat boy
78" GL Vert with ej22t swap
This will likely change tomorrow to something else. |
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sactojesse Samba Member
Joined: November 21, 2006 Posts: 2655 Location: Sacramento, California, USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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My understanding is that the AS is essentially a 3-speed manual transmission with a torque converter. They used the same gear ratios as the 2nd (2.06), 3rd (1.26), and 4th (0.89) gears in a similar year 4-speed manual transmission, but didn't have the 1st (3.80) gear ratio. Also, to make up for the lack of a 1st (3.80) gear ratio, VW spec'ed AS ghias with a lower ring & pinion than came on comparable model year MT ghias. For example, 68 - 70 AS ghias had a 4.375 R&P versus 4.125 for MT ghias of the same year and 71-74 AS ghias had a 4.125 R&P versus 3.875 for MT ghias of the same year.
Porsche used a similar system in its 911 Sportomatic of the late 1960s and early 1970s. My friend has one of those that he autocrosses at vintage Porsche events. _________________ 1966 Karmann-Ghia convertible
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InSaNeBoY Samba Member
Joined: May 27, 2004 Posts: 313 Location: Portland, ME
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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torque converter *and* a clutch which is vacuum operated. _________________ 2015 Jetta S
1998 Chevy AstroAWD
*ghialess* |
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jwold Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2008 Posts: 2088 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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I had one years ago, I loved it. Starting out in low was nice and peppy, I could see that just using the 1st and second would make it feel sluggish on take-off. |
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zetz Samba Member
Joined: July 22, 2009 Posts: 4 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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I had a 71 Ghia autostick before and it did not feel quite as peppy as my current stick version.
One weird thing I noticed - in brutally cold weather (well below freezing) my 71 autostick would sometimes stall out, with my manual it seems like I have more control and can prevent such stalls through clever use of the clutch and gears.
Two disclaimers: 1) I am a Ghia noob so my advice should be taken with a giant hunk of salt 2) You might live in LA so who cares if it's cold!
On the plus side for autosticks, they're neat. |
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ddwbeagles Samba Member
Joined: May 12, 2009 Posts: 507 Location: Stephens City, VA
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:50 pm Post subject: Auto Stick |
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zetz wrote: |
I had a 71 Ghia autostick before and it did not feel quite as peppy as my current stick version. |
I HAVE a 71 AS and would say that is a fair description. If given the choice between and AS and manual, I would prefer a manual trans, but there are fewer and fewer autosticks left on the road, so for an investment purpose these will probably appreciate a little faster. Anyway, as far as peppiness is concerned, the AS does somewhat limit the size of the engine you can put in it, but by today's standards....if you wanted a performance sportscar, you wouldn't be driving a Ghia anyway. _________________ David W - from Chesterfield, VA / Jefferson SD / Stephens City, VA in that order.
71 Ghia Coupe autostick
78 Westy
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lstyles Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2009 Posts: 246 Location: Oakland, Ca
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Looking into an autostick for my daughter. What is the limit in engine size that can be put in it?
thanks,
Lori |
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volkenstein Samba Member
Joined: June 26, 2005 Posts: 858 Location: The Land of Oz
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Lori,
1776 is good, or even 1835 (Nova had one IIRC) are OK. The milder the better. The A-S clutch (180mm) can take around 90Hp max at the flexplate. That is a general consensus opinion over at VWAR, not hard fact.
HTH
Volkenstein _________________ 71 RHD AS Super - "Klaus"...
Wisdom of youth, energy of old age... |
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nfthom Samba Member
Joined: December 16, 2008 Posts: 11 Location: louisville, KY
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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I have a '69 AS. I have to agree about starting in low. I used to use 1st and 2nd only and it would drag out. I think it was hard on the tranny as well. Mine works great. Now I start out in low first. |
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