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desertwrx Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2007 Posts: 351 Location: Borrego Springs, CA
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:00 pm Post subject: Engine locks up with tightening gland nut |
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I have an engine I'm trying to get running and it locks up when I give the gland nut some torque. With light ft. lbs on it, it will turn over. But when I really give it some torque it locks up allowing me to turn it back and forth only a tiny bit. |
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vince1 Samba Member
Joined: December 14, 2003 Posts: 823 Location: Burgundy, France
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desertwrx Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2007 Posts: 351 Location: Borrego Springs, CA
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Have that set up, but there was about .040 that the shims couldn't get rid of, which should be a big clue that I don't know anything about! |
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miniman82 Samba Swamp Donkey
Joined: March 22, 2005 Posts: 9515 Location: Southern Maryland
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Your endplay is still wrong, do it again. _________________ Build thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=212747
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desertwrx Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2007 Posts: 351 Location: Borrego Springs, CA
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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I have 3 shims that measure .027. When I add or subtract the total number of shims I still have that excessive .04 play. Could it be that there's something wrong internally? |
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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yes - you could have screwed the pooch and that endplay is the bearing now walking forwards and backwards in the case saddles but when you try to spin it the dowell stops it. To test this theory put in only 2 shims and see if it spins.
One possible way this could happen if you are just building this engine is if the thust surface width on the bearings is the wrong size for the case - the case thrust may have been cut. _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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fastinradford Samba Member
Joined: June 08, 2008 Posts: 2895 Location: Athens Ohio
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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main seal not completely installed _________________ 95 jetta 5spd, (first waterpumper vw)
the nice 74 Ghia, (of course the fiance drives that one).
My mk1 jetta 1.6d
"It'd still be like my grandads old broom though, original, only 3 new heads and two new handles" -Marv [UK] |
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bugninva Samba Member
Joined: December 14, 2004 Posts: 8858 Location: sound it out.
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Engine locks up with tightening gland nut |
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desertwrx wrote: |
I have an engine I'm trying to get running and it locks up when I give the gland nut some torque. With light ft. lbs on it, it will turn over. But when I really give it some torque it locks up allowing me to turn it back and forth only a tiny bit. |
I assume that means it's an existing engine, not a rebuild, correct? If so, it's shot... once the front bearing is rocking about, you can shim to your hearts delight to try and get the freeplay back in specs, but all you'll do is pull the crank tight against the thrust causing it to lock...
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main seal not completely installed |
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GEX has. Just sayin |
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desertwrx Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2007 Posts: 351 Location: Borrego Springs, CA
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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It's a used engine that came with the car. The PO took the engine out saying it needed rebuilding, but it ran. They stuck the engine in the car and I towed it home. It was missing the flywheel so I got one and put the shims back in. It just seems strange that it ran before I put my flywheel on this engine. |
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bugninva Samba Member
Joined: December 14, 2004 Posts: 8858 Location: sound it out.
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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unfortunately you are going on the PO's word that it ran... they can run with huge endplay, but they don't last... _________________
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With a show of hands, who has built over 1000 engines in the last 25 years? Anyone? |
GEX has. Just sayin |
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desertwrx Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2007 Posts: 351 Location: Borrego Springs, CA
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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I know for sure it ran because the brakes didn't work and the front tire were flat. He said the flat tires helped slow it down. No stop lights in our town! He had pulled the engine to rebuild it and his wife said "NO MORE PROJECTS!". I then got it.
The weird part is my flywheel with the original shims it locks up as I increase the torque on the gland nut. I end up with maybe a quarter inch rotation on the flywheel, but a nice free but very short rotation. It feels like it is hitting something solid CW or CCW direction.
I just want to get the engine so it'll run for a few days so someone can drive the car. |
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desertwrx Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2007 Posts: 351 Location: Borrego Springs, CA
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Put another flywheel on it and problem fixed. |
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nsracing Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2003 Posts: 9467 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like an alignbore job waiting to come out. |
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desertwrx Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2007 Posts: 351 Location: Borrego Springs, CA
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Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, it'll need a total rebuild. I also have another one that I have to smash the barrels off the pistons. The PO on that one let water go down the single 44 Webber. Boy, I'm doing good! |
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desertwrx Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2007 Posts: 351 Location: Borrego Springs, CA
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Finally got around to working on this buggy. Still has big endplay and seems to run fine. Need to clean it up and sell it (saying engine needs rebuilding). _________________ 2 fiberglass buggies, 2 non-running Corvair Sandrails!
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