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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:28 am    Post subject: Bonnets / Hoods Reply with quote

Do the bonnets change between the oval and the first big windows? or are the big window bonnets the same as the 61 - 63?

Also if anyone could show me a correct bonnet handle for a 56 I would appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe there are more differences than just the ribs in the photo that I have posted..It does have:
4 Tab Slots
Hood Badge Slots
Ribs on each side of the lower corners of the hood..
I dont know about the third bolt for the hood prop..
1956 Hood Bonnet

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1958 Hood Bonnet (Notice the changes again in the lower corner)

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Early Hood Bonnet (Notice Difference)

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1958 and later Hood Bonnet

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1957 and earlier Hood Bonnet (Notice the changes again in the lower corner)

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1957 and early Hood Bonnet (Notice Difference)

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You had your descriptions wrong. I have corrected them.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. So does this mean that the only difference between a 57 - 61 and a 61 - 63 bonnet is that the later has a 3 pin VW badge instead of the earlier 4 slot one?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sneal1956 wrote:
Thanks for the replies. So does this mean that the only difference between a 57 - 61 and a 61 - 63 bonnet is that the later has a 3 pin VW badge instead of the earlier 4 slot one?


58-60: 4 tab VW emblem and the single wide pressing for the hinges.
61- early 63: 3 pin badge and the single wide pressing for the hinges.
late 63 - 66: 3 pin VW emblem on a plinth (raised circle) and the single wide pressing for the hinges.
67 and later: I dunno Eh?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sneal1956 wrote:
Thanks for the replies. So does this mean that the only difference between a 57 - 61 and a 61 - 63 bonnet is that the later has a 3 pin VW badge instead of the earlier 4 slot one?



Yes!



This is ’58-’60.

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’56-57 Hood with only 4 bolts.

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This is ’55 hood only (7 months between January-July). It’s just like ’56-’57 hood but with 5 bolts and no triangle.

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Late ’53 to the end of ’54 Hood is just like the ’55 but with the triangle.

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Mid ’53 and split Hood is just like the ’54 hood but with 7 bolts.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fantastic. cheers.

So from this I have worked out that the bonnet I was thinking of buying isnt correct as its a 55 bonnet with the 4 tab and 5 bolt holes.


I need to find a 4 tab and 4 bolt for a 1956 Oval. (although doesnt the picture above labelled 56 - 57 4 bolts also show 5 bolts? er confused)

and that the bonnet currently on my car is definately a 61 - 63.

My search continues then....

(oh and I never knew about the triangle for the earlies!)
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sneal1956 wrote:
Fantastic. cheers.

So from this I have worked out that the bonnet I was thinking of buying isnt correct as its a 55 bonnet with the 4 tab and 5 bolt holes.


I need to find a 4 tab and 4 bolt for a 1956 Oval. (although doesnt the picture above labelled 56 - 57 4 bolts also show 5 bolts? er confused)

and that the bonnet currently on my car is definately a 61 - 63.

My search continues then....

(oh and I never knew about the triangle for the earlies!)


More about the triangles - http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=228606&highlight=split+hood+triangle

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=177246&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I need to find a 4 tab and 4 bolt for a 1956 Oval. (although doesnt the picture above labelled 56 - 57 4 bolts also show 5 bolts? er confused)


Well, that's why I typed 4 bolts. '56-'57 is definally 4 bolts.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to confuse an already confusing issue.......but 61's came with four tab hoods as well. Are they the same as the 58-60 configuration??
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sneal1956 wrote:
I need to find a 4 tab and 4 bolt for a 1956 Oval. (although doesnt the picture above labelled 56 - 57 4 bolts also show 5 bolts? er confused)


Well, that's why I typed 4 bolts. '56-'57 is definally 4 bolts.


Frank,
I think he was talking about the hood that I have. You listed it as 56-57 4 Bolt, but theres 5 Bolts..
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*Which I will be selling, cause I need a correct hood.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah thanks for all your help in clarifying (its good to know I wasnt going mad...)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

valentinesr wrote:
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sneal1956 wrote:
I need to find a 4 tab and 4 bolt for a 1956 Oval. (although doesnt the picture above labelled 56 - 57 4 bolts also show 5 bolts? er confused)


Well, that's why I typed 4 bolts. '56-'57 is definally 4 bolts.


Frank,
I think he was talking about the hood that I have. You listed it as 56-57 4 Bolt, but theres 5 Bolts..
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*Which I will be selling, cause I need a correct hood.

yeah, I know! That's why I make sure I type 4 bolts for '56-'57. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not to confuse an already confusing issue.......but 61's came with four tab hoods as well. Are they the same as the 58-60 configuration??
61 had a 3 tab raised emblem as well as late 60 mid 1960 is when they discontinued using the 4 tab hood
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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kidvintage wrote:
Not to confuse an already confusing issue.......but 61's came with four tab hoods as well. Are they the same as the 58-60 configuration??
61 had a 3 tab raised emblem as well as late 60 mid 1960 is when they discontinued using the 4 tab hood



nope. in 61 or late 60(i think) there was a 3 tab non-raised emblem, i got one on my oval.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ericktheelectrician wrote:
kidvintage wrote:
Not to confuse an already confusing issue.......but 61's came with four tab hoods as well. Are they the same as the 58-60 configuration??
61 had a 3 tab raised emblem as well as late 60 mid 1960 is when they discontinued using the 4 tab hood



nope. in 61 or late 60(i think) there was a 3 tab non-raised emblem, i got one on my oval.
either way 4 tabs stopped in early 60 also splits had 3 tab ,7 bolt , hood crest bonnets not to be confused with the later 3 tab hoods with only 4 bolts and no hood crest slits
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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either way 4 tabs stopped in early 60 also splits had 3 tab ,7 bolt , hood crest bonnets not to be confused with the later 3 tab hoods with only 4 bolts and no hood crest slits


No they did not stop in early 60. my 61 has the original hood and it is a 4 tab hood.

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check this thread out it gives the chassis number that they stopped the 4 tab hood.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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either way 4 tabs stopped in early 60 also splits had 3 tab ,7 bolt , hood crest bonnets not to be confused with the later 3 tab hoods with only 4 bolts and no hood crest slits


No they did not stop in early 60. my 61 has the original hood and it is a 4 tab hood.

FYI
check this thread out it gives the chassis number that they stopped the 4 tab hood.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=250199&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
I stand corrected the first 3 months of the 61 production year (end of 1960) did use the 4 tab hood I was confusing the change in the front apron early 60's were a 4 finger front apron and mid 60 started the use of the 3 finger front apron
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 4 tab which has been dented in the top corner.
A friend has told me these bonnents have a shallower pressing than later bonnets???
I only need to replace the top corner of the skin (not the braces where the hinges mount) but i dont want to source and destroy another 4 tab if I dont need to???
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