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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:54 am    Post subject: Anyone use renewable fuels to heat their home? Reply with quote

Installed a corn/pellet fuel furnace about mid winter last year.
Propane was near $2.60 a gallon then.
We were tired of being cold and having a huge fuel bill to boot.
Winter of 07-08 I spent nearly $1500 in propane.
That's with a 94% efficient furnace set on about 62° and an insulated house.

Installed this unit and tied it into my existing ductwork.

http://www.americanenergysystems.com/magnum-6500.cfm

Best move I ever made.
Cost me about $3 a day to heat my house with corn and it's warm.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a fireplace that burns wood if the power goes out.
Propane cost me $1.24 gal this year. 900 gal to fill both the shop and the house.

My brother heats his shop with waste oil. The local farmers and shops save it for him, so his only cost is for the electric to run the pump on the furnace, and his gas to go around and pick up the oil.
He is thinking about putting a waste oil burner to heat his house, but he would need to duct the oil burner heat into the house from outside. They do tend to smell near the burner assembly.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same here with the propane situation. I wanted to get a pellet insert for my fireplace as my living room is 19'x22' with a 15' vaulted ceiling. Talk about a heating and cooling nightmare. When I replaced the furnace in my house I had the installers put an additional return air high up the wall in the living room to recapture the lingering hot air. I would be curious to hear how well your burner performs this winter. Are you burning corn or pellets?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We used to heat for free with salvage pallets in a parlor stove at our old place, but PG&E in CA was .12 kwh. $120 with No heat. My wife won't let me replace the "beautiful" pellet stove we have here in OR that never gets used since our BPA electricity is only .074 kwh. $120-150/month with cooling/heating. I think our propane is about $2.50.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We use coal
Made of dead trees, it was recycled years ago though.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We use coal
Made of dead trees, it was recycled years ago though.


Not renewable though.....not in our lifetime anyway........ Smile

I use mostly corn when it's cold.
My furnace is rated 15K more BTU on corn than pellets.
Maximum output on dry corn is 78K and pellets it is 63K BTU.

There is a grain elevator about 2 miles from my house.
They sack shelled corn for me into plastic feed bags.
I dump that into metal trash cans with lids.
I have a drive out basement where the furnace is located.
Just back up to the door and fill up my metal cans.
When it's time to fill the furnace I transfer the corn with a gallon bucket and pour it through hardware cloth that has about half inch openings.
This screens out any stalks or cobs that can plug the feed auger in the furnace.

I still have the propane system but it is strictly backup in case the fire goes out on the corn furnace.
I keep the thermostat for is set on 60°.

I buy about a ton of wood pellets to use in the spring and fall when it's not so cold.
40# bags and again store them in the basement on a skid.
Pellets are not has hot as corn.
I can turn the furnace down to the lowest setting and still keep the house nice and warm in the off seasons.

Right now the corn runs about 6.5 cents per lb and the pellets are 12 cents with the sales tax.

In your case Gary I think I would do a free standing stove.
My cousin had a corn insert.
When he had to do anything other than normal maintenance to his, it had to come out of the fireplace.
Those systems weigh over 500 lbs too.
You can get a wall kit to vent them pretty reasonable.
The stoves even have a tax rebate on them now.

I've had my furnace since December of 08 and wish I hadn't waited so long to get it.

Here is the link to the home page of the unit I have:

Corn/Pellets Heating Systems
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

outdoor wood boiler FTW and burns about anything you can toss into it. a nice big stump will go for a day and a half

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeh, we burn rabbits. Cool

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a pellet stove in my house in Wyoming. The only problem is that they require electricity to operate and when te power goes out so does the heat and corn leaves a lot of clinker.
I grew up in a house that had a gassifier that supplied gas for heating and for the lights. This house had no electricity. You could thow anything into that gassifier and it would decompose it into CO and H2.
Great thing. Im sure that the greenies would hate it.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jimmy111 wrote:
I have a pellet stove in my house in Wyoming. The only problem is that they require electricity to operate and when te power goes out


The first year we "upgraded" to a pellet stove from our wood stove (our only heat source besides a small propane wall mount in the kitchen) we had an ice storm and lost power for 8 days.

I love camping, just not in my own house in January. It got pretty cold in here.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We burn the annual trimmings from the fruit orchards in the area we live in. Cherry, peach, apple, pear, plum, apricot. It costs me $60 for as much as I can put into my pickup. I burn about 3 loads a year.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've used out Pellet stove the last 3 years and love it. It keeps the house nice and warm, even on low. I shop around for the best price on the best quality wood pellets every year. I too was afraid about being cold when the power was out. So I did the calculations and bought a good sized inverter and can run our pellet stove off of a car battery. I've got a couple of deep cycles out of the camp trailer that I maintain in the winter. I've run the pellet stove for a day on a regular car battery.

Mine won't burn corn I wish it would. Pellet prices are going up even thought they are made local to me. Still a heck of a lot cheaper than my propane bill. And if the cap and trade stuff goes through my electricity is going through the roof so I'll do away with my supplimental electric heat too.

I did spend 5K upgrading the insulation, windows, and doors in our home. It made a huge difference. The house is at least 30% more efficient than it was 4 years ago when we bought it.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heated my first house with an old wood stove that someone put in the alley to give away,
I fueled it with scrap wood from renovations and pallets from behind K-Mart.

It only cost the price of gasoline to drive 8 blocks in the Bus to pick up the pallets and bring them home.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just throw a bunch of VW cases in the fire place. with 22 million VW's running around, i'd say to me its pretty renewable............



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a wood stove. That, and the waste heat off of our low RPM diesel generator which burns anything from diesel, to veggie oil, to waste motor oil. Razz
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Up until a couple of hours ago we were using no fuels, either renewable or otherwise. Snowstorm killed all power for the last two days. We are back to using a combination of coal and wind at the moment. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skills@eurocarsplus wrote:
outdoor wood boiler FTW and burns about anything you can toss into it. a nice big stump will go for a day and a half

http://www.centralboiler.com/


I want to get one of these. I've even seen one that a farmer made that would burn round bales.
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