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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

Ian Godfrey wrote:
Dave, if you keep the jars of Por15 in the fridge they last much longer before 'going off'. Just needs a good relationship with other possible users of the fridge!
Dishwasher, fridges and ovens are very important 'tools' to have access to.


Great tip!

I have a "Beer Fridge" in the garage so this is easy to do.

THANKS SO MUCH.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

djkeev wrote:

Anyway, if you open a can and get a DROP on the lid seal and then reseal the can, that can will never open again!


Thin shmear of bearing grease on the lip of the lid solves that.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

A lot of smart people here!

I read that moisture hastens curing of POR 15, so a partially used can contain a volume of air. Air carries a greater or lesser quantity of moisture.

By putting it into the small jars, you virtually eliminate the air ptoblem with leftovers.

I guess I should put a smear of grease on the glass jar lips before sealing.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

I'm sure you are wondering...... "Hey Dave! What's happening on tgat Ghia?"

Answer...... in the past 10 days I have either prepared for a Nor'easter, plowed during a Nor'easter or cleaned up after a Nor'easter.

12"
18"
5"

Maybe once the Ghia reappears, I'll work on it.

BTW...... snow removal is hard work!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

And your turning this one into... a convertible! Very Happy

Hang in there Dave
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

I'll be making similar repairs underneath my back seat. Those dang leaky windows Twisted Evil

Interested as to what you're using to replace the rubbers between the structural ribs and the nose, as those are on my list.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:04 pm    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

djkeev wrote:
I'm sure you are wondering...... "Hey Dave! What's happening on tgat Ghia?"

Answer...... in the past 10 days I have either prepared for a Nor'easter, plowed during a Nor'easter or cleaned up after a Nor'easter.

12"
18"
5"

Maybe once the Ghia reappears, I'll work on it.

BTW...... snow removal is hard work!

Dave

We got snow too, it was gone in 3-4 hours. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

It's funny anytime I hear on the news about another nor'easter, I think to myself, damn that's gonna effect this ghia build again
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:26 am    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

Yes, it has been quite the March, it came in like an angry Lion!

While the Ghia has been covered with snow and the temperatures are brutally cold and windy....... I've kept busy.

I've figured out how the 1969 - 74 four way flashers and also the turn signals work. This was a brain teaser and a mental exercise...... but also a lot of fun....... I really do need a life..... Rolling Eyes

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=695919

While I have a complete 69 Coupe, my 70 Convertible bits are lacking.
I've got the Convertible basics but it is missing many of the various finishing bits.
Once I identify what items belong but are missing I've been picking up used OG parts here in the classifieds.
I won't need them for awhile, but if I pick them up now, early...... I will be good to go when the day comes.

I've come to realize that my 69 wiring harness is tired.
Many of the terminal ends have seen many heat/cool cycles and simply crumble when I touch them,
I need to remove the entire harness soon....... whole.
While it is out I plan on using my ohm meter to test each wire, visually check for dry and cracked insulation and replace every crimped on wire end with new German style ends.
To this end I've contacted my Vanagon electric guy, Jay..... thatvwbusguy.....

[email protected]

He knows old VW's, he provides nothing but top notch product at fair prices and he is as honest as the day is long.
I'll get all new ends, a pair of ratcheting crimpers, ceramic headlamp plugs and a headlamp relay kit.
Why the relays? I plan on putting in some bright 21st headlamp lighting and don't want to overload the old light control wires.
I have an 86 Vanagon wiring harness so any wires I need I can harvest from it.
I may also add a few wires into the loom for my Air Conditioning and a few more interior lights (footwell, rear luggage area, front luggage area and engine area) with a switch to control them. The switch will probably be a repurposed rear window defogger switch under the dash..... ignition on only.

I'll keep my vintage radio but will wire in a hidden Bluetooth audio unit and speakers to stream music and have hands free telephone.
I did this in my 74 Beetle Super Vert.

A few charging ports would be nice to have also.

Subtlety (Subtly?) drag the old girl into the 21st Century.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

Request for information from a fellow 1070 convertible owner.

Is it possible for you to post a few close up shots of the rocker pannel/heater channel cross section in the picture below minus the sill plate? I am getting ready to surgically remove the the outer rocker skin and and would like to know if I need to drill the spot welds at the inner edge of the skin or if I can get away with removing the welds along the outer edge. My heater channels are solid but I have a few holes in the rocker skins so I may as well inspect and treat the interiors while I address the damage.
PM me if I need to do a better job of describing what I am after so I don't pollute your thread.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:33 am    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

Well, this helps things!

Sold my Beetle two fold ragtop clip I've had for a decade or more.
$$'s for the Ghia!

A lot of work. First big thing I've crated and shipped.

Anyway, ready to roll!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:44 am    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

EvilFiz

There isn't much to show. My unit has panels welded on top of panels by PO's.

Here are some cut aways...... there are spot welds along the bottom "point" where all the seams meet and along the top under the aluminum door plate.
There are also welds at either end and where the "A" & "B" Pillars meet the rocker.
As a general rule, if you see rust on a Ghia's exterior rocker pael, the inside is already gone. The Inside rusts first.......... unseen.

Ignore the pipe unless you have an old unit, that is a wiring chase. Newer units tuck the wires under the interior side of the sill plate.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

Title should read "My '69 Ghia..... interrupted by Nor'easter round 85!" Laughing
You're project has been more effective at producing snow than Native Americans could make rain by their rain dance.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:40 am    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

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Title should read "My '69 Ghia..... interrupted by Nor'easter round 85!" Laughing
You're project has been more effective at producing snow than Native Americans could make rain by their rain dance.


Yeah, I LOVE snow but 12-18" of snow for the first day of Spring Added to the already fallen 35" total of snow for March is tiring even for me.

Plus our house in Pennsylvania is getting this storm too! Maybe my Son-in-law will go over and shovel for me?
HA!! He's a Millennial! What am I thinking?!?! Laughing Laughing
Is there an App for that?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:55 am    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

djkeev wrote:
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Yeah, I LOVE snow but 12-18" of snow for the first day of Spring Added to the already fallen 35" total of snow for March is tiring even for me. ...


Yeah, I feel for you.
I can remember way back when the Chicago area used to get a lot of snow in Winter.

I think I prefer the new kind of Winter we've been having here for a few years now, though - significant snow storms perhaps 2 or 3 times total all season, with plenty of above-freezing temps inbetween to make certain the accumulation doesn't stick around very long.

djkeev wrote:
... Plus our house in Pennsylvania is getting this storm too! Maybe my Son-in-law will go over and shovel for me?
HA!! He's a Millennial! What am I thinking?!?! Laughing Laughing
Is there an App for that?

Dave

Very Happy I've discovered with my own young adult son that no app is required - you just have to frame the snow removal task with the correct adjectives.

"Want to get some serious cardio in today without having to go all the way over to the gym?" gets results where "Get your ass out of bed and go shovel the sidewalk and driveway" never did!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

Well, two days of Spring Sun with temps in the mid 40's (F).

Snow is changing to water rapidly and I found my Ghia!

I pulled the tarp off to air it out.

I pulled off the rain gutter trim for a member here who wants it......

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=696477

In preparation for pulling the wire harness out I took a lot of before photos for use during reassembly in a year or two (yeah..... I'm an optimist!)

Being a little flush with cash from having sold my two fold Beetle ragtop clip, I ordered a pair of Convertible hinge covers.... (that darn optimisim creeping in again!)

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=696089

I verified our color choice by getting a quart mixed up..... (picking out paint is trully optimistic!)

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=695029&start=40

And I tried to help a member recreate the supports for his rear apron.....

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=696235&start=20

I then got out the vacuum and attacked the front trunk area.

During the past 7 years of poor storage they turned it into low income housing! Crying or Very sad

I also took a lot of photos of body areas in need of some serious loving!

Some would say the photos are depressing, others might find them encouraging for a game plan is developing!

I've also done more study on exactly how the Convertible was reinforced over the Coupe. I've pretty much got from tge doors back figured out. The Windshield frame still eludes me but I'm closing in on it.
I'm not clipping a roof without having an adequately strengthened windshield frame.

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Anyway, no cutting, no welding but progress anyway!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

Let's figure out what to do here ..... junk it it NOT an answer! Laughing

Front trunk......
Rust on both corners near or at the drain tube holes.
This is little more than cleaning up the rust and building upmthe area with weld.....

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Looking down into the spare tire well you can see the common rust areas, again caused by those horrible rubber seals!!! What were they thinking????!!!??

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I know the rockers are rusty, that's no big surprise at all.
Here is the seam below and behind the left door......

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Looking up at the seam onnthe bottom of the rlockers where the multiple pieces join to make the support box......

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Oh my poor Left Rear Fender!
It has been aggressively attacked by cancer. I've got mostbof the repop panels I need but some portions are rusty above the repops. The rust extends to within an inch of the tail light bottom.

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Here is where the left engine compartment tin meets the body below the tail light. That cursed rubber seal that Karmann loves so much promoted rust here too! I'll be replacing those expensive rubber seals with a modern product out of a tube!

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Surprisingly the holes for the side marker are in almost perfect shape! Go figure..... I don't like those garish round reflector/lights? So they willmbe welded up and done away with.....

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:52 am    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

Yesterday I dragged the Ghia Convertible nose across the snow like a sled!

The rounded nose slid really well!

Put it on a hand cart and got it into the garage.

I'll be harvesting several bits from it for members here and also harvesting the mostly intact RF fender for the Coupe body.

I also need to harvest some metal to rebuild the area around the front bumper mounts that rots out from that stupid rubber nose seal collectin and holding moisture!

I had told a member they could have the nose but upon close examination the lower part is badly dented and rusted. Not worth the trouble and cost of shipping it.
Even getting the part for free it would cost to much.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:16 am    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

So I've almost completed step one of this process, Pull the car out, clean it up and make an honest assessment of the work ahead. I know some of you (probably you in the dry American SouthWest) are shaking your head muttering "what the Hel....... is he thinking?" Laughing

Step 2 is to document the wire harness location and connections and then pull the harness.

I'll use my P-touch label maker to identify each branch of wiring.
It will be at LEAST a year before I put it back in and well....... my memory usn't what it used to be! Crying or Very sad

I might start this removal today if all goes well.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 8:01 am    Post subject: Re: My 69 Ghia....... Round Two! Reply with quote

Harvesting nose parts from the 70 Convertible.

I cut out the ID plate to keep with the car papers as a reminder of joining two cars into one.


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