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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:40 am    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

Thanks joefriday for adding that in!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

Eric&Barb wrote:
Those single cabs both have later drain holes.


What year is the SC below?

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I don't know, but new as you say:

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And what is with this one?: (the guy in England tell my the metal was original)

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Dou you have informations what year have holes?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

Huetti_1989 wrote:

Dou you have informations what year have holes?
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Not for trucks, but would think it would be same as the standard bus.


If that is original sheet metal below the treasure chest door, would ask when did they start and stop making the non-seamed rocker panels?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

Eric&Barb wrote:
Nice, but no. Outer sheet metal drain hole.

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Been browsing the Technical section while off sick and bored witless today. Can anyone translate what it says next to the bottom left picture on this page in the Cavity Protection booklet?...

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It looks like they're suggesting those B-pillar drain holes be added. Not sure what the text says and it's quite faded. Wondering whether those holes were added later by owners trying to protect their investment.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:19 am    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

Hopefully someone can do better:

B - cavity preservation of VW vans of the manufacturing process from August 1967

Panel van or crewbus

Various coating drain holes are provided with a "peeling drill" on 12 mm diameter widen.

Hinweis: = tip, advice, clue, something which helps to solve a problem, allusion, hint, sign, notice, indication, something which indicates

A - peeling drill

1 - one hole each at the location shown in the elbows left and right drilling.

2 - In the "Langatragar vern outside right" paint drain hole drill edge.

3 - Enlarging water drain holes in the "B" pillars and drilling additional drain holes in following places.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:19 am    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

RE: A3:

I have no Idea what 'Wannerablau' means, however:

If one wishes to expand the holes in the II columns (B pillars). bore additional holes into the following columns (pillars).
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:05 am    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

Sort of sounds like they're suggesting that existing holes be made bigger.

I asked because my Oct '56 single cab is a bit odd. The left-hand side has a drain hole in the sill, the right doesn't. The left hand side dogleg also has a rubber bung roughly where the factory hole would be.

I've been assuming the bung was there to stop the door, which has dropped at its trailing edge, from grinding on the top of the dogleg but I was starting to doubt that having seen the pictures in earlier posts.

I had a dig around earlier and peeled it up. It's glued in to a hole that's much smaller than the holes shown in earlier posts, so I don't think it's covering a factory drain hole.

Not sure if any of these pictures help Huetti?...

Top of LH dogleg, showing the strange bung. It was painted over during an older resto...

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After digging it out a bit. Doesn't look like it's covering a factory hole?...

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I was pleased to see some OG paint around that bung under the 'new' paint and filler. I wasn't sure if the truck had been media blasted as part of the older restoration.

LH drain hole in the sill, aft of the seam (it's not as blocked up as it looks, the white is exaggerated by the flash)...

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RH sill without a drain hole...

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(The paint on the jack point is overspray from blending, after I had the treasure chest door repaired last year.)

And RH dogleg top without a bung...

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

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Well that does have the later drain hole in it. Seam to adjoining rocker looks like it was bondoed over.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

klcarrie wrote:
RE: A3:

I have no Idea what 'Wannerablau' means, however:

If one wishes to expand the holes in the II columns (B pillars). bore additional holes into the following columns (pillars).


I am quite sure they are "Wasser Ablauf Loecher", Water Drain Holes.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

Hi.

Thanks for this pictures, happy to see this Details, maybe someone had another pictures for references.

Hard to tell the right looking of this so often rusty parts for this years

And yes mandraks you are right with the translation, on a3 it means:
Wasserablauflöcher- holes for water.

(deutschespracheschweresprache)


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

Huetti_1989 wrote:
Hi.

Wasserablauflöcher- holes for water.

-Christian


Or literally:

Wasser ablauf löcher

Water allow-to-run holes

thus: Water drain holes

I'm happy that this confusion is over. It was driving me nuts!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

Updated the loose translation of that page above.

Our MAR62 SO-34 Westfalia has the single drilled drain hole near the bottom of the "B" pillar.

Our DEC62 Single Cab had the later bottom edge drain pressed into it.

So it looks like somewhere between those two points "B" pillar drains changed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:23 am    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

Eric&Barb wrote:
Well that does have the later drain hole in it. Seam to adjoining rocker looks like it was bondoed over.


Thanks, the earlier pictures and comments now make sense to me. 'Later drain holes' refers to the crimped drains along the bottom flange of the sill/rocker?

Is the aditional hole in the outer sheet metal on the left hand side B-pillar correct, or does that look like an addition?

I'd wondered whether the crack in the bondo was hiding a seam that should be visible.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:40 am    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

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Thanks, the earlier pictures and comments now make sense to me. 'Later drain holes' refers to the crimped drains along the bottom flange of the sill/rocker?

Is the aditional hole in the outer sheet metal on the left hand side B-pillar correct, or does that look like an addition?

I'd wondered whether the crack in the bondo was hiding a seam that should be visible.


Exactly, without the drilled holes the bottom of "B" pillar next to the treasure chest door any water that condensed/leaked into it, would only easily drain out after the bottom of that pillar rusted out. The "crimped drains along the bottom flange of the sill/rocker" seem to be a later factory drain for that pillar. Since our DEC1960 walk thru panel and MAR62 SO-34 do not have those, but our DEC62 single cab does, and all three of these VWs had no metal replacement before we got them 20+ years ago, and in those areas are still original with no bondo.

The below image is hard to figure exactly without the rocker seam or lower corner of the treasure chest door in it. Toward the lower right of the image, is that a crimped drain or just body damage? If you would post an image of the same area, but showing more of the area around...
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Here is an image from the literature section in the Archives that shows well the SC "B" pillar drain. Brochure is listed as 62.

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Here is another thread on the drilled or punched drain hole subject in early SCs.

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7175280&highlight=#7175280
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:47 am    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

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The below image is hard to figure exactly without the rocker seam or lower corner of the treasure chest door in it. Toward the lower right of the image, is that a crimped drain or just body damage? If you would post an image of the same area, but showing more of the area around...
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Thanks Eric. I've been confusing my description of which panel is which in my posts, which probably isn't helping.

The above image is of the left hand side (no treasure chest). The front and B-pillar are to the left of the projecting vertical seam.

The bulge in the rocker flange in that image is a drain. Looks like something hit the flange just forward of it, causing the distortion.

Edit:- added a wider shot below that shows the crimped drain in the B-pillar on the LH side. Hadn't recognised what that was before. Still leaves the question of whether the round hole, aft of the vertical seam/flange, which I realise is the long panel, was factory?...

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Was there originally rubber plugs for dog leg holes? Reply with quote

Thanks for all this input.

Here a Picture of my 57 European Single cab old OG Left side rocker with no hole:
-Christian

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