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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:12 pm    Post subject: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

I was taking apart a 36hp engine I got with the '58 PG/SG I just picked up. The engine is a 2-series (not 20-) engine which is supposed to be in the ballpark of my bus. Interesting thing is it has a governor under the 28 PCI carb. I've never seen that before. I always though they put them on later buses, 1500 on up. So, is this a stock item for a 36?? Seems sort of superfluous if you know what I mean.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My '59 ambulance has one. The intake manifold and carb brace are specific to the governor setup.

M178 - Speed limiter for 1.2 liter engine Types 211-274
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not stock but an option.

Check this thread out
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=235733

Also
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=270435
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

Mike

Thanks for posting these pics,makes some pretty good reference points for what is a pretty rare option on a 36hp Bus,first available and started as an option in February '58 and finished May '59.
Still a mystery though on why you would want to order one as a M178 option when they are slow enough already,especially when you have a fully loaded so23 interior on board as well.

What Bus is this in?
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

The prevailing theory seems to be that if you owned a fleet of VW buses and had your employees trying to push them to go a bit faster the governor prevented them from doing this and you kept you fleet a bit longer.

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My 1957 Kombi with M178 including the fan shroud stamps.

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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 9:16 am    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

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Mike

Thanks for posting these pics,makes some pretty good reference points for what is a pretty rare option on a 36hp Bus,first available and started as an option in February '58 and finished May '59.
Still a mystery though on why you would want to order one as a M178 option when they are slow enough already,especially when you have a fully loaded so23 interior on board as well.

What Bus is this in?


It’s in a 59 Kombi that I imported from Canada a few years back.
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 4:37 am    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

They double as cruise control, you can put a brick on the pedal and not worry!
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 1:40 pm    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

1959 Canadian Kombi 36hp Governor M178 and M173

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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

1959 Canadian Kombi 36hp Governor M178 and M173
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

Cool stuff, I've never seen that fully sleeved heater box cover

I guess that's part of M173
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 8:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

Me either and Ive owned a lot of Canadian buses! Laughing
It’s quite possible all the ones I got were rotted off or maybe someone removed the covers?
Either way that’s one sweet kombi Mike!
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

Here are some comparison pics between the carb support bracket for a governor manifold versus a 'normal' manifold.


Bracket for governor equipped manifold:

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

MoneyMike wrote:
1959 Canadian Kombi 36hp Governor M178 and M173


Sweet ass Kombi, looks super straight. Is there a build thread on it?
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 3:54 pm    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

srfndoc wrote:
MoneyMike wrote:
1959 Canadian Kombi 36hp Governor M178 and M173


Sweet ass Kombi, looks super straight. Is there a build thread on it?


No, no build thread, it’s going to stay stock.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

srfndoc wrote:
MoneyMike wrote:
1959 Canadian Kombi 36hp Governor M178 and M173


Sweet ass Kombi, looks super straight. Is there a build thread on it?


No, no build thread, it’s going to stay stock.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

MoneyMike wrote:
srfndoc wrote:
MoneyMike wrote:
1959 Canadian Kombi 36hp Governor M178 and M173


Sweet ass Kombi, looks super straight. Is there a build thread on it?


No, no build thread, it’s going to stay stock.

Nice....
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 1:24 am    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

My M 178 stamped fan shroud came from Ontario...

Interesting M 173 stamping too, that's not been seen before. The yellow M 178 on the gas tank was factory marked so that the bus and engine were mated together reinforcing the idea that these governor equipped buses were special rather than the norm. I'd always thought that M 178 was the only 36 hp engine option available. M 173 is accurately an exhaust item but since the stamping is on the fan shroud I'd qualify it as engine related. Nothing is listed for M 173 in Progressive Refinements while M 178 does appear.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:34 pm    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

tasb wrote:
My M 178 stamped fan shroud came from Ontario...

Interesting M 173 stamping too, that's not been seen before. The yellow M 178 on the gas tank was factory marked so that the bus and engine were mated together reinforcing the idea that these governor equipped buses were special rather than the norm.


This is the story on it.

It was driven to a farm by some hippy dudes in the 70s and was left there in their barn until we were working there and dragged it out . So it sat for 30 years at a guess
The farm was near Princeton in the simikameen valley

Charlie Hamill says they wanted to make sure that Engine went into that bus.
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:11 pm    Post subject: Re: 36hp with governor? Reply with quote

Hey Mike.

Curious is the M plate also stamped 178 & 173 ??

My so23 is also a M178 Bus so might have to look for crayon markings on the tank as well.
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