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fivelugshortaxle
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| modok wrote: |
| knowing what the cam blank is certainly is more difficult if identifying marks have been removed by stoker clearance. |
How can I find out without the markings?
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fivelugshortaxle
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Web camshafts |
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| neil68 wrote: |
| I would not recommend those lifters with a Web camshaft. Double check with Webcam to be sure. |
What would you use, Neil?
These "use with any cam" udo lifters seem to be anything but
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modok
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Somebody round here has to call Web and ask what's going on with the cam blanks.
Before you call, see if the cam gear fits correctly. |
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fivelugshortaxle
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| modok wrote: |
Somebody round here has to call Web and ask what's going on with the cam blanks.
Before you call, see if the cam gear fits correctly. |
Cam gear fit fine. It's in the short block already. This is seriously a bit frustrating.
Engle 120 markings c4 and d4
SLR SC-1
WEB....NONE
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stan_tichomirov
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Aren't all Web stroker-cleanced cams SC-1 blanks?
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fivelugshortaxle
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| stan_tichomirov wrote: |
Aren't all Web stroker-cleanced cams SC-1 blanks?
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I didn't think so, now I'm not sure.
What a rixe this has been. I've got 3 new cams. And one set of $400.00 udo's. Since I'll be orderkng new heads this week, with the cc chamber I'll need, I may just use the Engle 120. I KNOW engle cams are compatible with udo's. Going to sleep on it.
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2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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esde
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| modok wrote: |
Somebody round here has to call Web and ask what's going on with the cam blanks.
Before you call, see if the cam gear fits correctly. |
No answers here, but some clues:
I called 2-3 months ago to speak with Web about different grinds. At that time they were using the Scat SC1 blanks.
SLR is also grinding scat SC1 blanks. At the moment the are 3 different tool steel lifters available, Udo's, Prescott Phillip's, and Shag Leon's ultra light set. I know of one set of Prescott's lifters running a Webcam, and Prescott runs a scat cam in his own race car with his lifters. Shag Leon's tool steel lifters are advertised to work with ANY cam at all.
If Udo is advising against using his lifters with the Scat blanks (webcam/SLR/scat cams), one might assume that he is wary of the hard cam blank after his own lifter hardness issues. Or maybe it is something completely different, but it certainly narrows the available options. |
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jason
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Is there a cam gears not fitting issue going on? I thought I was the only one. |
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modok
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| no, no, Just thought I'd mention it. Looks like the same "no name" brand. |
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jason
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't understand, no name brand? If you mean the cam gear I tried a vw, cb and Brazilian gear. It's late probably went right over my head. |
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modok
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| The cam has no casting marks. |
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fivelugshortaxle
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Just got off the phone with webcam....they say not to use udo be ker lifters with their cams. Straight from the horses mouth.
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Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
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maui
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| A engle 125, Norris 408 is very nice with 2 liter and stock gears and can go 1.25s sometimes if you like. |
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fivelugshortaxle
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| A engle 125, Norris 408 is very nice with 2 liter and stock gears and can go 1.25s sometimes if you like. |
Yeah, but I'm using the webcam 86b. Called webcam and they manufacture their own lifters now, so I ordered a set of them.
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2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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jfats808
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| maui wrote: |
| A engle 125, Norris 408 is very nice with 2 liter and stock gears and can go 1.25s sometimes if you like. |
Yeah, but I'm using the webcam 86b. Called webcam and they manufacture their own lifters now, so I ordered a set of them. |
They do now? Is this recent? It was common knowledge that they repackage scat lifters. I'm not sure if the lifters are SLR treated or are the lightwieghts. I lucked out and got my two 86c with the cwc blanks.
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fivelugshortaxle
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| fivelugshortaxle wrote: |
| maui wrote: |
| A engle 125, Norris 408 is very nice with 2 liter and stock gears and can go 1.25s sometimes if you like. |
Yeah, but I'm using the webcam 86b. Called webcam and they manufacture their own lifters now, so I ordered a set of them. |
They do now? Is this recent? It was common knowledge that they repackage scat lifters. I'm not sure if the lifters are SLR treated or are the lightwieghts. I lucked out and got my two 86c with the cwc blanks. |
Person I spoke with said they manufacture their own now and that they are not repackaged.
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2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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Bajaman65
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| stan_tichomirov wrote: |
Aren't all Web stroker-cleanced cams SC-1 blanks?
Stan |
I just went out into my shop and found 3 Pre-Clearance Cams, one Engle FK44, one Web 86b and a Scat. All are stamped SC-1 on the blank. I have over 10K on an Engle SC-1 with Udo Lifters and not seen any metal in the oil yet. Keeping my fingers crossed. |
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fivelugshortaxle
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Bajaman65 wrote: |
| stan_tichomirov wrote: |
Aren't all Web stroker-cleanced cams SC-1 blanks?
Stan |
I just went out into my shop and found 3 Pre-Clearance Cams, one Engle FK44, one Web 86b and a Scat. All are stamped SC-1 on the blank. I have over 10K on an Engle SC-1 with Udo Lifters and not seen any metal in the oil yet. Keeping my fingers crossed. |
Hope it works out. I'm not going to try it. Pulled the motor apart again. Waiting on the webcam lifters to come in. Going to be outting the udo's in the classifieds to help pay for things. People seem to be doing fine with the pifters that each company recommends so thats what I'm doing. Web told me over the phone that their cams are not compatible with udo lifters. They will pit.
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2332 with lots of goodies....
Rotating assembly balanced by Brothers VW
4340 84mm crank
AA 94mm p&c' s
Total seal 2nd ring, rest are Grants
5.5 h beams
Magnum straight cuts
Steve Long XR310 on a 106
CB 1.4 rockers
CB Magnaspark 2 distributor
NGK D7ea plugs
A1 lowdown 1 3/4 with single muffler
Dellorto 48's with 40 venturies
Kennedy Stage 2 with Daiken disc |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| fivelugshortaxle wrote: |
| Just got off the phone with webcam....they say not to use udo be ker lifters with their cams. Straight from the horses mouth. |
But Why? What did they say other than they make their own lifter; which means they want you to use theirs.
I have a Web 86C and Udo's that I have yet to fire.
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