67 Bus Engine Tin Questions

Jack Frisch · Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:50 pm Post subject: 67 Bus Engine Tin Questions

Can anyone here possibly take a photo of the individual engine tin pieces needed for a stock 67 Bus?

I'm having a 67 stock motor, originally out of a beetle put in my bus and
I dont know what tin I should be looking at or looking for

Any help appreciated

Jack
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EverettB · Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject:

I believe all the tin is exactly the same as a '67 Beetle except for the rear breast plate and the front tin over the transmission as the pre-heat tube arrangement is different.

Read this photo from Clara
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=455324

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Clara · Samba Member Joined: June 14, 2003 Posts: 12400

this picture does NOT show the late 66-67 breast tin

rear engine tin comparison:

top: '67 beetle with 38mm pre-heat holes both sides for dual 1" pre-heat hoses

middle: 1500 pre 1966 bus, with pre-heat hole on left (as seen in driving direction)
(40hp fresh air rear tin looks very similar, but the heat riser spacing is about 1/2 inch narrower)

There is a 66 ish bus version with pre-heat hole on right
There is also a late 66 - 67 bus version with no pre-heat hole, as the heat is picked up from the right heater box.

bottom: 1600 bug/bus has larger pre-heat hole, on right, for 2" pre-heat hose
The shape where it fits to the under pulley tin is also different.
- - -- - - - -- -

^^^^^^^^^different varieties of deflector tin for fresh air 40hp and 1500/1600 motors.

There are left and right with no oval holes (top) 67 bus came with the ones with no hole.
Then left and right with oval holes for the pre-heat pick up pipe that attaches at the muffler at the head, under a nut.
Shown are a left and a right 67 & earlier pre-heat pick up pipe.
Bottom right is the 68& later/1600 right deflector with gap for large pick up pipe (68& later 1500/1600) and gap for bent oil breather pipe.

To use the earlier versions of the right side deflector, you must have a straight oil breather tube.

Hope that helps.
This really only applies if you want to do an anal retentive correct for 67 engine.
Then you want the front tin with pre-heat hole on right, and the right heater box with the spout.

These were pieces of tin missing from my Mom's 67 beetle motor. It was more complete than some:

post a picture of your '67 beetle motor'.
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Jack Frisch · Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:19 pm Post subject:

Clara

WOW!!!
This is one hell of a reply!!!!
Wow!!
Thanks

A huuuuuge help, for me and for the entire membership here for sure.

Thanks!!!!!

Jack
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1967 13 Window Walk-thru Deluxe Bus, stock 1500 engine, Titan Red/Grey, Platinum Mesh interior, orig. & stock
1966 GT350H Shelby Orig. low mileage car
2002 PT Cruiser Limited Edition, stock, auto, loaded

crofty · Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:00 am Post subject:

67 bus set-up

The 1600 set up above (2" preheat) would be useless unless you had a baywindow 68-71 aircleaner.
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jeremy57ride · Samba Member Joined: May 23, 2005 Posts: 1318

I'm trying to get the preheat correct on my 67. Crofty, or someone could you comment on the routing of the preheat tube? I think I have all the tin questions answered, this thread has been helpful.

I'm still not clear on were the pre heat tube is routed on the 67. I must have the wrong tin, 2 holes as well as holes on both sides of the connecting tins. Seems like it was a 67 beetle tin.

Anyone have a detailed original 67 engine bay that shows the routing of these tubes in detail? Thanks fo any help, suggestions.

crofty · Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 12:35 pm Post subject:

See my pic above. The pre-heat tube connects to the heater box (pass side) then goes threough the large hole in the tin (pic above) straight to the air cleaner.

The pic with the 3 rear tin pieces does NOT include a '67 bus version. It would have no preheat hole.
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jeremy57ride · Samba Member Joined: May 23, 2005 Posts: 1318

Thanks Crofty. I have the pre-heat straight, now I need to get the correct tins. My breastplate and small tins are all 67 beetle with holes in everything.
It should be easy enough to modify the front tin, not sure about the non-port heater box. Anyone with experience on where that port goes? (after it enters the box)
I'm curious if I just drill that area and weld a pipe there if that's going to work.

crofty · Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 7:44 am Post subject:

I'm not using the ones in my pic. Smile

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BarryL · Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 6:59 am Post subject:

crofty · Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:16 pm Post subject:

BarryL · Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:06 pm Post subject:

Ok, thanks, I guess that solves that. On the stale air 40 horse what did it connect to?

What about this:

crofty · Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:41 pm Post subject:

bcampagnolo · Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:37 pm Post subject:

OK, I have read this particular post about 12 times. Confused

I have a '67 bus, but the tin is not correct, it has the pre-heat tube in the 68+ location. I am also missing a couple of pieces (not including the flaps and thermostat).
Also, my heater box does not have the pre-heat pipe on it. I have not checked the tin at the front of the engine yet.
I am OK with the 1" pre-heat pipe being in the 68 (passenger) side. I'm OK with the non '67 heater box.

What I need is help identifying the names of the tin so I can search and purchase the missing parts I have.
I know the thermostat is missing and the fan shroud needs to be fixed to allow the flaps to be installed. That's another weekend or another project.
Way up in the thread, Clara has some awesome photos with parts her mom was missing.
I am curious about the deflector tin (is that what I call it?) I seem to have one on the left side with a hole in it. There's also a threaded hole in the head just behind that oval hole in the tin.

Should I get the tin with no hole and 'move' that to the right? (get the proper one with a hole on the right)?

I'm OK with the pre-heat being on the right.
I'm also missing the tin on the bottom of the passenger / right side and the pre-heat pick up.

Not sure if my oil breather is considered straight? It looks like it has a curve in it, but I'm sure I'm looking at the wrong place.

Also, will that cool tin that goes in back (front is front) of the crank fit on mine? It's the one that looks like it floats in the opening in the rear tin behind the main pulley.
I wondered what that lonely little tin screw was supposed to be connected to!
Smile

so:
Deflector tin, right side? (hole no hole?) (fix left side?)
Pre-heat pick up tube tin?
Crank Pulley rear tin?
Bottom (sled?) tin passenger side rear?

Thanks for all the help so far in this thread.
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Eric&Barb · Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:04 pm Post subject:

Kind of depends on what you are trying to do with the engine. Just get it running for daily driving or correct restoration???

Down draft tube should be straight down. Plus right side cylinder deflector looks like it is not fitting correctly on the right side of it.

Bus parts manuals are great for both exploded diagrams and numbers/names of parts!

http://oacdp.org/
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bcampagnolo · Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:54 pm Post subject:

More daily driver and cooling properly. With my carb and svda and pre heat tube set up the stock natzies have already cried foul! Very Happy

Thanks for the right side deflector heads up; I fixed that and it's snug.

I will check out the link for docs. I have had a major headache getting a 67 Bentley manual in stock from anywhere.

Downdraft tube? Is that a part I am missing? Sorry for the un-informed questions.

I think I need to get 68 style tin and pre heat pickup tube?

I just found awesome powdercoat video series on tin. Maybe that will give me the vocab I am missing Confused

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Eric&Barb · Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:25 pm Post subject:

Down draft tube is the bent tube coming down from the oil filler.

Are you using the stock bus oil bath air cleaner?
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bcampagnolo · Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:27 pm Post subject:

Yes I am. It has the little flap at the very end and the pre-heat tube attaches there. I recently learned to prop that open in the summer and let it flap in the winter (San Diego 'winter')
The oil bath is on the right side on my bus.
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