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62DoKaGuy Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2011 Posts: 1276 Location: Surprise, AZ
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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iowegian wrote: |
…I guess the original Warranty Voucher will have to suffice.
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Pretty badass. I only know my original engine due to title/reg being under that number and not the vin. Are you the original owner too or did it come with purchase? _________________ ,,Wenige Menschen denken, und doch wollen alle entscheiden.'' -der Alte Fritz
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...I went at it from both ends but going from the rear didn't seem to do anything, although I did spray some rust breaker in there... |
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58euro Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2011 Posts: 193
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:45 am Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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Ordered mine Jan 7th and received it today Feb 17th. Has anyone seen the delivered to location as being “VWoA Personal” before? Wonder if it was used for promotional use or what that means? Also has M86 which is unknown.
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Jerkstore Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2019 Posts: 19 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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I got mine three weeks (and €129) after ordering. One question is "manufacturing date" and "delivery date." It rolled off the shop floor in Osnabrueck January 27 and made it to Washington by February 2?
_________________ '78 Super Beetle Convertible; in our family from new |
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56Cabrio Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2008 Posts: 1899 Location: San Fernando Valley, CA
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Jerkstore Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2019 Posts: 19 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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Those shippers are amazing.
I ask because the delivery date is my mother's birthday, so am trying to clarify if that's the day she bought it as a gift for herself, the day it landed in the US, the day it arrived at the dealership? It may all be "a best guess" from the Certificate people, but that delivery date made me go hmmmm. _________________ '78 Super Beetle Convertible; in our family from new |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69823 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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I think "Delivery Date" is still the "Left factory on" date.
I can't recall ever seeing anyone saying there was a known record of when it was "Delivered" to a dealer in the USA and this information was passed back to VW Germany.
Also:
Delivered to where?
To the arrival port?
To the distributor?
To the dealer showroom?
To the customer? _________________ How to Post Photos
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Jerkstore Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2019 Posts: 19 Location: Washington, DC
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:46 am Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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Thanks - I'll go with that unless convinced otherwise! _________________ '78 Super Beetle Convertible; in our family from new |
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Alan Brase Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 4532 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:50 am Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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VWTECHEDITOR wrote: |
Good Afternoon, Guys,
VW will confirm an original engine number if you list it on the application form. To quote; "Your engine number is the original one since date of delivery". The delivery date being to the port for shipment, not retail delivery to the customer.
With the increasing value on old VWs and the premium placed on "numbers matching" cars it comes down to three words: Fraud Prevention & Protection.
Suppose you had a VW with no engine, it being long gone. If you had an original engine number from a birth certificate, it would be easy to stamp that old number on a new un-numbered case and say it was the original engine. Sure, it is unethical, immoral, possibly criminal and surely fattening, but there are some who would do it. Just sayin'.
Funny thing is, back in the old days, transferring engine numbers to a new VW supplied engine was what VW told us to do. Check it out:
Art LeBrun
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My gut feeling is, they were advised to not be a party to counterfeiting original engine numbers. My personal feeling is, what does it hurt? Actual original or "Numbers matching" is almost the same and a recently created numbers matching replica would probably be better in every way than the original. I mean, really, none of these cars did anything special with those original engines, except wore out.
Not like they won LeMans or something.
And taht someone would try to make a replacement motor with that much attention to detail...
Your point of restamping the exchange is a good one as well. _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
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ManFromNapa Samba Member
Joined: March 08, 2012 Posts: 184 Location: United States
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ManFromNapa Samba Member
Joined: March 08, 2012 Posts: 184 Location: United States
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DaddyGrasshopper Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2021 Posts: 5 Location: Pacific Wonderland
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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Ordered for my 67, everything seemed to work fine. Paid with a Visa.
I don't expect that this will be life changing, but that's OK. It has the feel of basically being an expensive keepsake but I love this kind of stuff and it's my money haha.
I am pretty sure my 67 is an original Java Green car (it's had some bad resprays, but I think it's down in there). The options might be interesting, and I'm interested to see where it landed in North America. The previous owner (a good friend of mine) bought it from a dealership in 2000, and has no knowledge of its history before then. It seems like it was probably a West Coast vehicle (and maybe even an Oregon local) based on being here and very clean underneath, but who knows?
Anyways, I'll update timeframe and results when it arrives! _________________ 81 Rabbit
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DaddyGrasshopper Samba Member
Joined: August 02, 2021 Posts: 5 Location: Pacific Wonderland
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:58 am Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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Got mine yesterday, so it was about 3 weeks from order to delivery.
Mine came as two pages, with the "Special Configuration" being on the second page (basically just the US spec equipment). Unfortunately it doesn't list the delivery location like others, mine just says "Country of Destination: USA" so that will remain a mystery. But hey, at least it confirmed it is indeed an original Java Green on Gazelle vehicle!
It does come in a card-stock folder that's a little nicer than just your typical school folder and the pages of the actual birth certificate are foiled along the left edges. _________________ 81 Rabbit
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58euro Samba Member
Joined: November 05, 2011 Posts: 193
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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Has anyone determined what they mean when the color/finish says “Not Deposited” I’m assuming this is meaning the old “Cannot be identified” or is it meaning that it came Primed? |
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RCJH77 Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2022 Posts: 191 Location: Johnson County, KS
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2022 9:06 am Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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Adding my recent experience to the thread.
I had a lot of trouble placing an order for the certificate and data sheet. I wanted to use the CC option, but no matter what I tried, it would error out before I was able to even enter a CC number. I was finally able to get it to process using the PayPal option and received an email confirmation.
I have a question for any of you who have had success receiving your certificates and data sheets. Do you have to provide the engine number in order for the engine number to appear in the paperwork? I did not include it, as I'm hoping the data sheet will confirm which of the three blocks I have is the original (if any of them are). |
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finster Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 7951 Location: north o' the border
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 6:01 am Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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^ my understanding is that if you supply an engine number with your certificate application they will state 'your engine number is the original one since date of delivery' if it is the original. see alan brase's post above...
they do not list the actual number, so you won't be able to match it to a block. this is from the faq on the certificate site
Classics with so-called matching numbers are particularly popular. When ordering a Volkswagen certificate or data sheet, you have, therefore, the option of specifying the engine code, including the engine number of the currently installed unit. We can compare this with the number of the engine installed at the factory and tell you whether it is still the original engine. In all other cases, however, we cannot communicate the engine number installed in the vehicle ex works for security reasons – so that matching numbers are not created using sandpaper and number punches. _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
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RCJH77 Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2022 Posts: 191 Location: Johnson County, KS
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 7:57 am Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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Gotcha. Well that's a bummer. My bug (owned for a month) has a motor in it, and two extra blocks, one of which the previous owner "thinks" is the original. At the end of the day, it doesn't much matter, but it would still be nice to know which one is the original, if any of them are.
To be continued... |
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34012 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 10:46 am Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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Post the engine numbers and chassis number. While not strictly connected, the manufacture dates of the two can be compared to see if the lead time between them seems reasonable. |
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RCJH77 Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2022 Posts: 191 Location: Johnson County, KS
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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The chassis is from Oct of 59, best I can tell, as it starts with 264.
The engine blocks I have are as follows:
3160756
2826300
2178627
On this page, at the top, it says "Each chassis number is the last vehicle produced in that month." Does anyone know if that applies to the engine numbers as well (i.e. number listed is the last one produced for that month)?
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/bugchassisdating.php
It doesn't seem that any of these are the original, but I'm open to alternate theories. |
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EverettB Administrator
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RCJH77 Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2022 Posts: 191 Location: Johnson County, KS
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 8:43 am Post subject: Re: VW Birth Certificates |
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I went ahead and submitted the order for the Cert and Data Sheet based on the 316 motor. Worst they can tell me is what I'm already expecting, which is that it's not the original motor. To be continued... |
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