72 - 79 differences

[regis101]

I tried the search. Maybe I didn't word my query properly. I did read a few threads, though.

I'm on the prowl for a 73-75 Bus. I can swap over the drivetrain from our 78 if needed to make a driver out of it so I can garage the 78 for some much needed love. Planned on dropping it anyway for seals and whatnot.

IIRC, there are some chassis or mount differences in the 72 that will not allow the 78's drivetrain to be swapped? I think there was a thread about this. If not here then somewhere else?

Thanks,
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Peace, Regis

[VDubTech]

Drivetrain will swap between any 72-79 Bus just fine.
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[regis101]

Cool. Thanks. I've been browsing around on the Type2 and Ratwell's site(s)
also.
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Peace, Regis

[Amskeptic]

[regis101]

[regis101]

More subtleties than I would've thought. Copied from Bus Boys. Item K may be an issue.

Perhaps the frame is similar enough that one would be able to make things work if using a 72 Bus with the later drive train.. Nothing is usually a straight swap.

A. 141-711-141D Shift Knob, Black $4.80

B. 111-711-115A Shifter Boot, Black $5.70

C. 211-798-121 Shifter Assembly, New (Approximately 2 inches shorter than the original) $29.00

D. 211-711-149 Shifter Stop Plate $3.65

E. 211-711-197 Front Shift Rod Bushing, 1968 to 1973 (Only Available in Kit 211-711-211 $16.30)

F. 211-711-182 Front Shift Rod Bushing, 1974 to 1979 $12.70

G. 211-711-155EU Front Shift Rod, Used, 1968 to 1972 (To Chassis #212 2300 000) CALL

G. 211-711-155GU Front Shift Rod, Used, 1973 (Chassis #213 2000 001 to 213 2300 000) CALL

G. 211-711-155FU Front Shift Rod, Used, 1974 to 1975 (Chassis #214 2000 001 to 215 2300 000) CALL

G. 211-711-155HU Front Shift Rod, Used, 1976 to 1979 (From Chassis #216 2000 001) CALL

H. 211-711-169A Front Shift Rod Coupler $12.50

J. 211-711-189A Coupler Screw $1.85

K. 211-711-171DU Rear Shift Rod, Used, 1968 to 1972 (To Chassis #212 2300 000) CALL

K. 211-711-171LU Rear Shift Rod, Used, 1973 to 1979 (From Chassis #213 2000 001) CALL

L. 211-711-185B Bushing, Front of Rear Shift Rod (Only Available in Kit 211-711-211 $16.30)

M. 211-711-179 Bushing, Rear of Rear Shift Rod, 1968 to 1977 (To Chassis #217 2053 838) (Only Available in Kit 211-711-211 $16.30)

M. 211-711-185B Bushing, Rear of Rear Shift Rod, 1977 to 1979 (From Chassis #217 2053 839) (Only Available in Kit 211-711-211 $16.30)

N. 211-711-183B Rear Shift Rod Boot $7.50

P. 311-798-211 Rear Shift Rod Coupler, $15.40

P. 311-798-211 HD Rear Shift Rod Coupler, Heavy Duty Urethane $10.30

R. 211-711-189A Coupler Screw $1.60

- 211-711-211 Complete Shift Rod Bushing Kit, 1968 to 1979 $16.30

NOTE: Complete Shift Rod Bushing Kit includes shift rod bushings only. Boots, couplers and other hardware are not included.
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Peace, Regis

[busdaddy]

I think the shift rod/nosecone length changed a bit in 75, the 72 cutoff is for the style of bushing at the front, 68-72 uses the pin on the body, 73+ uses the big tubular one on the shift rod.
None of it's going to be impossible to work around though.
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[regis101]

Well at least I feel calm that the 78 drive train will at least fit a 72. Making the shift rods work would be minor.
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[atmellovw]

[regis101]

Aw man. Trying to be optimistic here. Actually the 72 Bus doesn't turn me on. I've found a couple of 75's in my area. Price(s) are right.
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[Mr. Loaf]

^^^The 72 doesnt turn me on^^^. My 72 was a hard-on waiting to happen.
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[cdub1971]

[regis101]

I googled 74 Bus transaxle and it led to an old TS thread. This is copied from that thread

Facts:

- the 002 trans was used up until 1975
- the 091 was used from 76-79 and had a different bellhousing
- the 72-73 transmission had a 210mm clutch
- the 74-75 had a 215mm clutch
- the 76-79 had a 228mm clutch
- the starter has to match the bellhousing.
- the 210mm and 215mm flywheels fit all 72-79 bellhousings
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Peace, Regis

[Wildthings]

The 091 is about 1/2" longer than the earlier transaxle and this length must be taken into account. Using the shift rod off the later bus with an 091 will make that part easy, but the transmission will still interfere with the flange on the cross member in front of the nose cone. A little cutting or bending will take care of this.

[regis101]

Thanks for the clarification. Item K from the Bus Boys link shows the rear shift rod as fitting the 73-79. So that's a relief.

Maybe there was a frame change when the 091's were installed.
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Peace, Regis

[alyachtman]

[Amskeptic]

[Joey]

When I put a 091 in my '74 I had to bend up the cross member Wildthings mentions.

The 1/2" difference also put my shifter at an odd angle so I re drilled the hole for the grub screw where the front shift rod connects to the rear shift rod to get it close to the normal position. I now use a '68-'71 clutch cable as well.
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Joey

‘60 Kombi - '74 Bus - '79 Panel - '65 Beetle

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