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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

spectre6000 wrote:
To avoid further thread hi-jacking, we are discussing some of the finer points differentiating the '58 and '59 model years.

bill may wrote:
58 and 59 rear fenders are the same. 58/59 front fenders the same. 1960 lost the dimples between bolt holes.

I really could have used this information a while back.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=393685&highlight=fenders
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=392797&highlight=fenders
I asked a few more times in a few more ways in a few more threads, and each time got different answers. The most common and convincing answer I got was that the flare on the front fenders near the running board stopped early in the '59 model year, as evidenced by the existence of og metal conduit fenders (which stopped with the '60 model year) without the flare. This is corroborated by the suggestion that the '59 model year (at least in some markets) started "early in the '59 model year" (say, around November).

bill may wrote:
difference between 58/59 split case trans chassis and 64 tunnel case trans? 1 difference between 58/59 and 64 is torsion bars and covers were changed in 1960 model year. by the way what is a coupe???? a hardtop beetle is a limosine.

Also something I've been told multiple times to the contrary. I know the trans is different, I had no idea there was a difference in the chassis beyond that. What are the differences?

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if you look at PR part 1 it starts with type 2 on the nov change.

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Explain please. I see the references in the photo above to various Type 2s, but I don't understand your response. Why is the November change bunk? Wilson states, and seems to think (by the photo above to be, at least in some part, validated by PR) November was the point at which the '58-'59 switch occurred.

Further, why is the home market change delay bunk? The home market was the last to get a number of changes and options over the years. The designation "export model" implying a difference between the ones leaving the country and the ones staying (both of the cars in question in the other thread were German market cars).


I know this is the very beginning of the thread and much has been discussed since, but I have owned numerous 58-59's over the years, and 2 of them were September of '58 cars, and they were all original. Up to November 1st, everything was the same except the '59 only colors that were introduced on what I'm guessing was August first. Cigar ashtrays, the Frankenstein or whatever style rear seat stop posts, the lower rear seat bar spot welded supports & bigger mounting bolts, the Made In Germany tag, the '58 only front turn signal covers with the sharp points, and ribs in the front clip were all used through the end of October. Another thing that I just noticed on my current car that I just got, is that the front tubed fenders do NOT have the step at the running board. My car and a buddy's car that he just got are both 6/59 cars, both all original, and both cars don't have the running board step at the front fenders. Another thing that is weird is that my car has the 1960-61 rear fenders with no ribs. Does anyone else have a 6 or 7 of '59 car that is all original that has non ribbed rear fenders? I can post pictures, but my fenders are the same color on top and underneath, have the same patina/wear everywhere, and the fender beading is perfectly mounted and doesn't appear to have ever been changed. The ONLY non original parts on my car are the tires, ignition switch, coil, and the previous owner added drop spindles to the original beam. Even the blinker relay on my car is the correct 58-60 only relay. I'll try to add pictures soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

So I got a reply from VW regarding my 1958 beetle. Itís a little confusing... my car is an early square window car. VW says it was built July 15, 1957, delivered August 2, 1957. According to the technical pages on the samba, the last car on July built was chassis 1600847, my car is 1601113. But if my car was built July 15th, is progressive refinements wrong, or just a pre-startup of square window cars built in July, not August?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:35 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

It sounds to me like they started it in July before the vacation period in August and completed it as a 1958 model when they returned.

Sometimes the Progressive Refinements #s used for the VIN charts are off a little. Also I don't know where that number really came from. Is it when the car was completely done and left the factory floor to be shipped or a little earlier or ?

To clarify something:
As far as I know the "delivery date" does not mean it was in Canada, it means that's when it left the factory to be shipped to Canada.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:22 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

ida2332cc wrote:
Gday all, this is my first post on the samba. Ive lurked for a little bit and have finally decided to join mainly due to this 58/59 discussion. Im in australia and have a 1958 bug with aussie flash trim. Mine was last registered in 1984. Mine has what looks like a cigar holder in the ashtray. A locking pushbutton handle on the glovebox lid. It has blade bumpers with short over riders, there is no holes present to have tall over riders. I have a flying vw badge. I also have window washer nozzles and a molded water bottle that goes behing the bonnet latch. I cant find much info on it but it is a vw item that locks into place in that area
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That's one awesome looking bug! I'll be posting mine up soon, a '58 Aussie Deluxe.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Well, sort of a one year only cigar ashtray as early 59s also have them like my October 58 build registered as a 59. It also has all of the other parts that came on the 58s.



Ruger59 wrote:
My VW addiction got the better of me today. I couldn't resist this beautiful black 58. It's a numbers matching body and pan with ribbed rear fenders and a four tab hood. Unfortunately it's missing the front fenders, passenger door and deck lid along with a couple other items.

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The fenders might be rusty, but I think I can save them.

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Near perfect front clip.

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Still has it's one year only ash tray!

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And a photo of my 59 in which I'm currently rebuilding the original power train.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:03 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Does anyone have an all original June or July of 1959 with it's original rear fenders, and are they ribbed or smooth?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:54 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

After a few years of searching I was finally able to track down a correct right hand sunvisor to replace my missing one. I also had to strip off the silver-gray paint a previous ďrestorerĒ sprayed onto the left hand visor/mirror assemble. Unfortunately that person also used some fine sandpaper on the chrome bits to help the paint adhere... Confused Itís not highly noticeable but I wish they hadnít... Anyway I was also somewhat successful in using a heat gun to remove the worst of the warpage from the left hand visor. All in all Iím pretty happy with the results. (And yes I know I have the wrong headliner - Iíll get to it one day. Also Iím sorry for the crapppy cell phone pics.)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

BTW, your cell phone pics look great (nice and clear).


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After a few years of searching I was finally able to track down a correct right hand sunvisor to replace my missing one. I also had to strip off the silver-gray paint a previous ďrestorerĒ sprayed onto the left hand visor/mirror assemble. Unfortunately that person also used some fine sandpaper on the chrome bits to help the paint adhere... Confused Itís not highly noticeable but I wish they hadnít... Anyway I was also somewhat successful in using a heat gun to remove the worst of the warpage from the left hand visor. All in all Iím pretty happy with the results. (And yes I know I have the wrong headliner - Iíll get to it one day. Also Iím sorry for the crapppy cell phone pics.)
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

my 58 dash
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

My 1959 T115 dash:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

I might as well play too - here is my 58 dash:

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PostPosted: Today 2:46 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

EverettB wrote:
It sounds to me like they started it in July before the vacation period in August and completed it as a 1958 model when they returned.

Sometimes the Progressive Refinements #s used for the VIN charts are off a little. Also I don't know where that number really came from. Is it when the car was completely done and left the factory floor to be shipped or a little earlier or ?

To clarify something:
As far as I know the "delivery date" does not mean it was in Canada, it means that's when it left the factory to be shipped to Canada.


Wondering how the factory organized building European cars, then export cars or right hand drive ones on the assembly line? Weeks of exports at a time, or days of certain types, or intermixed as they came down the line.
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