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VWNate
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 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:00 pm Post subject: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion New/Old Member Returning |
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Hi all ;
I haven't been here i years, got one last (? I hope) Beetle, a 1959 # 113 DeLuxe that's a very tired survivor .
This is my first post to ensure I'm where 6 volts and 36 horsepower is appreciated .
Pictures to follow .
TIA,
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jbannon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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| A question regarding 1958 L241 Black cars. I know there were two color options, blue/gray and red (brick red). However, was the red a solid red on the seats, or was it red/gray, like in the other models? I’ve seen pictures of both leatherette versions on The Samba and was curious which was correct. Moreover, if red, did VW offer a cloth and leatherette option? I assume the cloth would be two tone like the other models, but wasn’t sure. |
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my59
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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| jbannon wrote: |
| A question regarding 1958 L241 Black cars. I know there were two color options, blue/gray and red (brick red). However, was the red a solid red on the seats, or was it red/gray, like in the other models? I’ve seen pictures of both leatherette versions on The Samba and was curious which was correct. Moreover, if red, did VW offer a cloth and leatherette option? I assume the cloth would be two tone like the other models, but wasn’t sure. |
My '59 has red seats, all red. The interior color is not listed on the original written order is simply volkswagen model 117 color black type sunroof.
This post got me doing a little digging through Progressive Refinements. It has info as to when paint colors were added or changed, but no info I could see for interior color changes.
The amount of info available there is astounding. The '59 model year started Nov 1 1958 with #2150222. My car came with fuel filter in pump, so it was made after Dec 3, 1958, #2193349, and before the clutch and brake pedal length changed at #2214885 on Dec. 8. Hub cap pullers were added to the tool kit Jan 12 1959, and here I was thinking my grandad lost it like he did the screwdrivers and pliers....
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jbannon
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:26 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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| Thanks. Does it have the red gray door cards? |
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my59
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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| jbannon wrote: |
| Thanks. Does it have the red gray door cards? |
Yes, red on upper panels, gray lower with a chrome trim strip between tge two colors.
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my59: Well son, my grandfather died before I got to drive it, so does that answer your question?
our79: sunroof bus w/camper interior and 2.0 FI
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jbannon
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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| Thanks again. All very useful. |
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my59
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:50 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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| jbannon wrote: |
| Thanks again. All very useful. |
There are photos of a gray convertible, page 54, of the 58-60 early big window convertible registry with a red interior.
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my59: Well son, my grandfather died before I got to drive it, so does that answer your question?
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AlteWagen
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| Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:54 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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| jbannon wrote: |
| A question regarding 1958 L241 Black cars. I know there were two color options, blue/gray and red (brick red). However, was the red a solid red on the seats, or was it red/gray, like in the other models? I’ve seen pictures of both leatherette versions on The Samba and was curious which was correct. Moreover, if red, did VW offer a cloth and leatherette option? I assume the cloth would be two tone like the other models, but wasn’t sure. |
looks like the other options were two tone with red being solid
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jbannon
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 11:47 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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Further to my original post, I just received the birth certificate for my car. The BC stated the car was ordered with m-code, “M104, 72/red leatherette” interior. A quick search for “72/red leatherette” indicated the red was a deeper red than the K306 brick red color above. I should note the car is a euro L41 ragtop, which was purchased in Germany before ending up in Austria.
Check out the interior color for August 57-July 58, L41 117 cars—ragtops:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/paintcodestype1.php
Any ideas? Per my59’s post, his car came with red/gray door cards? Is his red 72 or K306?
Or is the confusion a potential BC issue instead?
I’ll post some pics of the car soon. I am planning to meet with the original owner’s son, and want to see if he has any photos and stories before I share with the group. |
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pastellgreen
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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| jbannon wrote: |
Further to my original post, I just received the birth certificate for my car. The BC stated the car was ordered with m-code, “M104, 72/red leatherette” interior. A quick search for “72/red leatherette” indicated the red was a deeper red than the K306 brick red color above. I should note the car is a euro L41 ragtop, which was purchased in Germany before ending up in Austria.
Check out the interior color for August 57-July 58, L41 117 cars—ragtops:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/paintcodestype1.php
Any ideas? Per my59’s post, his car came with red/gray door cards? Is his red 72 or K306?
Or is the confusion a potential BC issue instead?
I’ll post some pics of the car soon. I am planning to meet with the original owner’s son, and want to see if he has any photos and stories before I share with the group. |
I would stay with the data from the colour card above and:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/berater/12_1_german/002.jpg |
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my59
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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| jbannon wrote: |
Further to my original post, I just received the birth certificate for my car. The BC stated the car was ordered with m-code, “M104, 72/red leatherette” interior. A quick search for “72/red leatherette” indicated the red was a deeper red than the K306 brick red color above. I should note the car is a euro L41 ragtop, which was purchased in Germany before ending up in Austria.
Check out the interior color for August 57-July 58, L41 117 cars—ragtops:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/paintcodestype1.php
Any ideas? Per my59’s post, his car came with red/gray door cards? Is his red 72 or K306?
Or is the confusion a potential BC issue instead?
I’ll post some pics of the car soon. I am planning to meet with the original owner’s son, and want to see if he has any photos and stories before I share with the group. |
Hi there, I saw your PM. I no nothing about euro delivery cars let alone their interior colors. The inside of my Dec. 58 is as per the 'vert I referenced earlier in the thread. I have the original sales paperwork, and there are no references to interior color or M codes.
Something to keep in mind is computer monitors, lighting and decades of sun may render the colors differently
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my59: Well son, my grandfather died before I got to drive it, so does that answer your question?
our79: sunroof bus w/camper interior and 2.0 FI
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VWNate
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:19 pm Post subject: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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I hope I'm subscribing to this thread....
The deal with cars being titled long after they were manufactured was a serious problem, why the "maroney sticker" was mandated .
My '59 was in fact manufactured in October of 1958 .
VW changes to the next model year in August .
My '59 has the 1958 drain tubes in the engine compartment .
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VWNate
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Drain Tubes |
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Thanx ! .
I have forgotten so much, good to know folks here still remember .
I need to figure out how to post pictures .
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TXHCBeetle
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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If you haven't already done so, I highly recommend that you go ahead and read through this entire thread from the beginning, lots of useful and interesting information 👍🏻
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VWNate
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 2:23 pm Post subject: Previous Posts |
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I did, indeed it's very informative .
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I have many thoughts and questions but don't want to fill this up with too many questions whilst I'm still working on it .
I'm not sure what color my car is, I don't see "Diamond Gray" (? grey?) on any '58 ~ '59 paint chips yet I see plenty of cars that are obviously -not- the metallic green .
I also wonder why some cars have ivory steering wheels and others have a light gray(ish) color, I'm going ot get my steering wheel re finished and want to paint the mast jacket, support clamp and turn signal switch too, only once and hopefully correctly .
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my59
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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| VWNate wrote: |
My '59 was in fact manufactured in October of 1958 .
VW changes to the next model year in August .. |
Progressive Refinements contradicts the August model year start with a comment that the '59 model year started Nov 1, 1958 with x number (Posted previous in thread)
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rickycox
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| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:20 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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This is my 58 UK RHD Bug, previous owner had the shell bead blasted 15 years ago then stored in a barn without being primed !!!
I have no floor pan to get a BC, so what do people think the colour might have been, photos below show all the colour I can find.. to me I thought maybe Capri Blue ??
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:11 am Post subject: RUST NEVER SLEEPS |
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I hate it when they do that  .
I *think*you're right about the color don't you have the ash tray plate ? .
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