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BERYL60
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 Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:29 pm Post subject: my 58/59 |
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being slowly resurrected and disassembled as time allows
58/59 garnet red ragtop
photos show paint before and after polish
its a bit holey in a few places but generally ok |
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Agave58
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:36 am Post subject: |
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Terry, I think that the "anti corrosive stuff'' is the equivalent to our primer/sealer. Btw, cool video. 
You can see in this pic that the "primer" is a darker color once applied.
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I reviewed the Video again, and this is what I got out of it.
1st The Bodies are rinsed with hot water, then go thru a "Bonderizer Spray" for corrosion?
2nd the are dipped in Black paint, then baked.
3rd they are sprayed Gray Primer, then baked again.
4th is where they add the "Cream" filler and make sure the Bodies are smooth and have no imperfections.
5th Then depending on that VW's particular color, is sprayed by hand and baked again.
I don't know if this a process that VW used for our 58/59's, or updated in the later 60's as seen in this Video.... 
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stale air
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:02 am Post subject: |
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I dont have proof, but I believe the pans were dipped. Just like they did the bodies.
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According to this VW video on You Tube the Bodies and Pans are dipped in a anti corrosive tub? The Bodies are painted with a sprayer, but no mention if the Pans are sprayed as well?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCojp22cj8&feature=related |
Terry, I think that the "anti corrosive stuff'' is the equivalent to our primer/sealer. Btw, cool video.
You can see in this pic that the "primer" is a darker color once applied.
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Agave58
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| stale air wrote: |
I dont have proof, but I believe the pans were dipped. Just like they did the bodies.
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According to this VW video on You Tube the Bodies and Pans are dipped in a anti corrosive tub? The Bodies are painted with a sprayer, but no mention if the Pans are sprayed as well?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCojp22cj8&feature=related
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spectre6000
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:20 am Post subject: |
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The '64 pan my '59 is (will be) on was painted black as I recall. I just replaced the frame head a few weeks ago. I also recently replaced the shift linkage on a '69 or so 'vert and I believe the inside of it was painted black as well.
I would be surprised if they weren't dipped just like the bodies. If they take that approach with the bodies, I don't see why they wouldn't take the same with the chassis from a labor involved angle. From a manufacturing standpoint, having a machine dip bodies in a bath on a mass scale is far cheaper than having a few guys with spray guns trying to keep up with the pace of production.
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hootowls
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In "Volkswagen Nine Lives Later," Post (1966) writes:
Each body is submerged completely in a primer paint bath to impart a firmly non-corrosive surface to every area--including those inaccessible to standard paint spray treatments. No matter where the VW goes after it leaves the factory, its owner is assured of superior body life. Three other coats are sprayed on before bodies leave the paint shop. With usual corrosion thoroughly discouraged most Volkswagens go on sparkling like new for years and years.
Still looking for a reference for the pan. As an aside, Ghia bodies were also dipped in the same fashion and Transporters were completely dunked but of course they (Type II's) don't use pans.
What does the inside of a Beetle tunnel look like finish-wise? |
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stale air
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I dont have proof, but I believe the pans were dipped. Just like they did the bodies.
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Agave58
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I would like to know what the paint code would be for the Pan... |
How about L41?
I don't recall seeing any primer under my black paint when I blasted the pan. Just black paint then metal. |
L41 with a semi gloss perhaps... 
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Black58EuroBug
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I would like to know what the paint code would be for the Pan... |
How about L41?
I don't recall seeing any primer under my black paint when I blasted the pan. Just black paint then metal.
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AlteWagen
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| A coat of black paint. Not sure if the black was dipped. Undercoating was an option, Ive seen some CRAZY thick undercoating that covered EVERYTHING and some that just barley covered the pan itself. I think the thick stuff was a factory deal and the thin was a dealer job, not positive though. |
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Teo22
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| Agave wrote: |
I would like to know what the paint code would be for the Pan... |
What paint code 
What did VW do back in 58 to the pans? Did they put something on them or paint them or 
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Agave58
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| Can someone tell me what the pan on a 58 beetle originally was coated with and what was the process, as in, was it primered first or? |
I would like to know what the paint code would be for the Pan...
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Bart Dunn
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Sorry if I'm breaking the conversation here but need some help for a 59' bug and thought maybe best to include the questions in this thread.
1. Does anyone know what these electrical blocks are called?
2. Where can I get some? (I tried searching samba classifieds but maybe didn't have the correct name to find any)
3. Is it supposed to be one piece and mine is broken?
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New ones come with a Wiring Works harness, such as the one I just bought for my '58 sedan project, so they're around. Call the Wiring Works guy if WW won't directly sell you the block you need.
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Teo22
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Can someone tell me what the pan on a 58 beetle originally was coated with and what was the process, as in, was it primered first or?
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mario_0609
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That's interesting ... In Germany they are called "Lüsterklemme"'and they are common wherever you want to connect cables. Especially in house building. You can get them for cheap in every DIY-Store... But I would say that they are not original in a Volkswagen ...
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hootowls
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| Awesome! thanks for the WW link for the connectors. I can't believe they only sell singles makes no sense maybe they can sly me a full strip special order. |
They are manufactured in strips of individual connectors joined together that are designed to be cut apart to separate as needed. I'd have to guess that WW is advertising the individual connectors that they themselves cut from the strips. As such I'll bet they already have uncut strips on hand that you could ask about when ordering.
Here's an example:
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GüteAndTite
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smkn_vw
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| Awesome! thanks for the WW link for the connectors. I can't believe they only sell singles makes no sense maybe they can sly me a full strip special order. |
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hootowls
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Sorry if I'm breaking the conversation here but need some help for a 59' bug and thought maybe best to include the questions in this thread.
1. Does anyone know what these electrical blocks are called?
2. Where can I get some? (I tried searching samba classifieds but maybe didn't have the correct name to find any)
3. Is it supposed to be one piece and mine is broken?
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They are terminal blocks or wiring connectors or whatever you prefer. They are usually found as a block from which you trim off what you need. WW used to sell them in strips but all I can find quickly are single connectors.
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=N174710 |
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smkn_vw
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Sorry if I'm breaking the conversation here but need some help for a 59' bug and thought maybe best to include the questions in this thread.
1. Does anyone know what these electrical blocks are called?
2. Where can I get some? (I tried searching samba classifieds but maybe didn't have the correct name to find any)
3. Is it supposed to be one piece and mine is broken?
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