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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:09 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Thank you for your reply, the reference link for the October 1958 beetle (same month/year as mine!), and the picture of the tail lights.

I plan to have those holes filled. The PO drilled a lot of holes under the dashboard so there is work to do. I have already purchased a radio delete plate and plan to sell the Akkord radio.

Finally. I’ll start a new thread for the restoration. Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:46 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Hey, nice project!

Won't you open a new thread for this?

Taking back to stock also could mean to remove the radio, as the car was delivered without and the radio was dealer-added.
Consider at least, to find a radio delete cover and also paint it together with all other parts, even if you decide to hold on the radio, and keep it with the car. One decision also is, not to use the antenna, because later, when someone wants to remove the radio he has the problem how to get the antenna hole closed an painted. Now with a resotration it is more simple to do that. I'm sure, today we have other possibilities for an antenna. Look at my 1960 thread, what for difficulties I had with several holes into the dash and under the dash and on top of the car because of the antenna...

Oh, remove the grab handel holes in the dash, and the hole below the readio shaft, they are not stock.

The steering damper indeed looks very interesting, never saw this kind.

For giving you some inspiration for a real original diamont grey survivor:
https://www.derautojaeger.de/fahrzeug/vw-kaefer-typ-1-export-mit-faltschiebedach-465/

The larger reflector in taillight could be something like this:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:59 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. I have seen three 58-59 engines now with the fan shroud with the notch. And like Muluk, I too thought the notched fan shroud was for the larger oil bath cleaner and 40hp. But given I am seeing the shroud used on more than one 58-59 I am not so sure. Anyone else have any thoughts.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Re which fan shroud:
I believe the one on the right is for an early 40hp stale air engine. The indent at top is for the larger oil bath with snout that was fitted at that time and the indent at bottom is to clear one of the case perimeter bolts, needed due to the fan housing being relocated rearward a bit when the case was lengthened.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

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I was hoping you could help me figure out which fan shroud is appropriate for a 1959 beetle. I have both fan shrouds in the photo, with the fan shroud with the notch being on the original motor. However, the PO made a lot of modifications to the car and I am not sure if this is the right fan shroud for this year.

If it is, does anyone have an idea what year the other fan shroud is for?

Thanks!

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I believe the fan shroud with the notch is the correct one. I'll have to double check mine just to make sure! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:11 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

I was hoping you could help me figure out which fan shroud is appropriate for a 1959 beetle. I have both fan shrouds in the photo, with the fan shroud with the notch being on the original motor. However, the PO made a lot of modifications to the car and I am not sure if this is the right fan shroud for this year.

If it is, does anyone have an idea what year the other fan shroud is for?

Thanks!

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:08 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

I have added photos from the disassembly of my 59. It is currently at the media blaster and I am curious to know what is under the 60 years of undercoating (FYI, the black areas in the wheel wells is crusty, thick undercoating.) As expected I found more rust, but was also surprised with how intact and rust free most of the car is--I was expecting a lot more. This may all change in a few days, but its great to see the resurrection process begin in earnest.

I'll post pictures when the car is back from the media blaster.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

jbannon wrote:
After many many months of stalking the 58/59 forum, I finally found a car that I wanted to share with the community. First, many thanks to all of the amazing contributions to this forum--they really helped and motivated my decision to find a 58/59 Beetle!

This is an Austrian (Euro) beetle, and the original color was Diamond Gray with the green/gray leatherette interior. My VW birth certificate lists the manufacturing date on 31 October 1958 and the car was delivered to Salzburg on 03 November 1958. I am the fourth owner.

I plan to return this car to its former stock condition and glory!

The birth certificate designates the following "special configurations":

M018 - Larger reflector in brake and indicator light
M134 - Upholstery Leatherette
M196 - Asymetrical headlamps

The car has its original pan, engine, and transaxle, and the original seat covers for the front and rear seats are buried under those blue seat covers. Unfortunately, the original door panels are long gone. The car came with an original locking shifter-base and an Akkord radio that needs restoring. You can also see that the PO owner screwed and riveted all kinds of things under the dash, and added the towel bar over riders and hella (70s or 80s) lights in front.

Since taking these photos, I have gutted and stripped the car and will send it out to get media blasted and then off to paint and body soon. I also plan to strip and powder coat the pan while the body work is being done. It appears the car was hit in the front driver side fender at some point, and while the fender was replaced with a German, year-correct fender, the front quarter panel needs to be replaced with the correct year-specific front quarter panel. While the car's current front fenders are German metal, and have the correct headlight bucket with metal wire tube, they may be post-June 1959 fenders--there is no running board bulge. What style front fender would be specific to an October/November 1958 beetle?

The front beam also appears to have been replaced, and I am curious to know if someone can explain the steering stabilizer between the upper and lower torsion tube in the picture I posted (the bar leading out of the picture frame is an aftermarket towing bar.) It's a link-pin beam, but it has the mount on top for the post 60's steering stabilizer, which I know wasn't used in 58/59. In addition to the added stabilizer, the steering box doesn't seem to be correct as well.

Unfortunately a PO owner removed the original taillights and added both the later front turn signal and rear taillights. Austrian law mandated taillight and turn signal changes in the 60s, and a lot of cars lost their original lights as a result. I plan on taking the car back to stock and have already purchased taillights from a 1959 beetle. Does anyone know what "M018 - Larger reflector in brake and indicator light" are?

Being a car that endured over 6 decades of Austrian winters, there is rust in the usual places and a few unusual places, but overall the car appears quite solid. I will have a better idea once the paint is removed...

Finally, I have posted a picture of the engine. Like everything else on the car, the PO made modifications.

I would really appreciate any comments / suggestions on what is right or wrong with the car from the pictures provided, especially the engine. Also, I am torn on whether to keep the Akkord radio given it needs to be restored/refurbished, and was wondering if there was someone on the Samba who could restore these radios.

Looking forward to your comments!

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Nice ´58 and welcome! It is no wonder that it held up that good, our Austrian bugs are pretty solid as well. They didn´t use all the harsh stuff they do these days 60 years ago. Today Austria can be considered the ´Rust Belt´of Europe sadly...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:42 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Joined the 58 club this week Very Happy my sons idea to add a Herbie to the group
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Thanks Sunroof. And will do. I was curious about the fuel pump. As you can see the PO added their own flare to the engine, including paint and a lot of rivets in the fan shroud. Did the PO add something to the fuel pump?

I’ll make sure to add some pictures when it comes back from media blasting and before it goes to metal/bodywork/paint.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

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Welcome to the 58/59 club. Looks like a pretty straight car to start with on your resto journey.


Ditto!

Your car looks really good so far. The engine looks all correct to me just painted real pretty like. Keep posting, this looks like a fun one to me.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Many thanks, Stale Air. I will make sure to document the restoration as it develops. I am looking forward to getting another 58/59 back on the road!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:02 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Welcome to the 58/59 club. Looks like a pretty straight car to start with on your resto journey.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

After many many months of stalking the 58/59 forum, I finally found a car that I wanted to share with the community. First, many thanks to all of the amazing contributions to this forum--they really helped and motivated my decision to find a 58/59 Beetle!

This is an Austrian (Euro) beetle, and the original color was Diamond Gray with the green/gray leatherette interior. My VW birth certificate lists the manufacturing date on 31 October 1958 and the car was delivered to Salzburg on 03 November 1958. I am the fourth owner.

I plan to return this car to its former stock condition and glory!

The birth certificate designates the following "special configurations":

M018 - Larger reflector in brake and indicator light
M134 - Upholstery Leatherette
M196 - Asymetrical headlamps

The car has its original pan, engine, and transaxle, and the original seat covers for the front and rear seats are buried under those blue seat covers. Unfortunately, the original door panels are long gone. The car came with an original locking shifter-base and an Akkord radio that needs restoring. You can also see that the PO owner screwed and riveted all kinds of things under the dash, and added the towel bar over riders and hella (70s or 80s) lights in front.

Since taking these photos, I have gutted and stripped the car and will send it out to get media blasted and then off to paint and body soon. I also plan to strip and powder coat the pan while the body work is being done. It appears the car was hit in the front driver side fender at some point, and while the fender was replaced with a German, year-correct fender, the front quarter panel needs to be replaced with the correct year-specific front quarter panel. While the car's current front fenders are German metal, and have the correct headlight bucket with metal wire tube, they may be post-June 1959 fenders--there is no running board bulge. What style front fender would be specific to an October/November 1958 beetle?

The front beam also appears to have been replaced, and I am curious to know if someone can explain the steering stabilizer between the upper and lower torsion tube in the picture I posted (the bar leading out of the picture frame is an aftermarket towing bar.) It's a link-pin beam, but it has the mount on top for the post 60's steering stabilizer, which I know wasn't used in 58/59. In addition to the added stabilizer, the steering box doesn't seem to be correct as well.

Unfortunately a PO owner removed the original taillights and added both the later front turn signal and rear taillights. Austrian law mandated taillight and turn signal changes in the 60s, and a lot of cars lost their original lights as a result. I plan on taking the car back to stock and have already purchased taillights from a 1959 beetle. Does anyone know what "M018 - Larger reflector in brake and indicator light" are?

Being a car that endured over 6 decades of Austrian winters, there is rust in the usual places and a few unusual places, but overall the car appears quite solid. I will have a better idea once the paint is removed...

Finally, I have posted a picture of the engine. Like everything else on the car, the PO made modifications.

I would really appreciate any comments / suggestions on what is right or wrong with the car from the pictures provided, especially the engine. Also, I am torn on whether to keep the Akkord radio given it needs to be restored/refurbished, and was wondering if there was someone on the Samba who could restore these radios.

Looking forward to your comments!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

it's interesting that as I flip back and forth between forums, that I find for my early 58 beetle, I tend to more go through the 53-57 Oval window section. Looking at a post for a 67 with a 1500 motor, has little to do with my 58. Maybe another division of forums to be more 36 horse or smaller window cars is in order? Other than an oval window, there's not a ton of similarities from a 53 beetle to a 57. Motor is different, fenders different, no semaphores, different seats, vent glass and frames... just an observation that keeping years with more things in common may help make searching for help and ideas easier
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Woops! I did not mean to offend.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:07 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

sunroof wrote:
Nope, sorry. Not correct. Same as Wolfparts.

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Don


If that was a swipe at my suggestion, I didn't say it was correct. Having not directly purchased from Wolfparts, it was the most correct new manufacture panel I could find; except for NOS OE parts. I would agree though, a visual inspection of both panels, it appears that Wolfparts is the supplier/manufacturer. Might as well get it from the Wolfparts, it is a bit cheaper, barring shipping and taxes.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

In 2005 I brought an interior kit for my '64 bug to a local shop and asked them to install it. He struggled with every piece and suggested next time to just let him do it from scratch. The parts making up the kit were close, but made the job much harder. That supplier is no longer in business. The variety of fabrics now days is infinite and a good shop may be able to give you exactly what you want.......Even the "correct" look your going for.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:55 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Vinyl seat covers. Looking back through this thread, as I very often do, I wondered if anybody has reached a conclusion over the years of where to obtain the most correct seat covers or seat cover material (vinyl). My Garnet Red car's driver's seat (grey/brick red) is definitely beyond saving. Any suggestions?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Garnet Red Wheel colors and Radial Whitewall Tires Reply with quote

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hsosa1 wrote:
is the right color combo on the wheel . Im referring to the off white color anyone know ?


The two colors needed for the wheels on a Garnet Red car are...

L81 Parchment White

And....L359 Ruby

hsosa1 wrote:
Anyone know where I can get a thin wall white wall


A bunch of options to choose from.
https://www.cokertire.com/tires/styles/whitewall-tires.html?shop_width_bias_ply=3745
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