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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 10:52 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Need some help. Iím in the middle of tearing down my pan on my 59 beetle (October 1958) and for the life of me cannot remove the rear torsion bars / spring plates. Both sides move up and down but no matter what I do I canít get them to come out. Any techniques/tools/suggestions/etc. would be immensely appreciated!
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2022 12:15 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

stale air wrote:
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But doesn't matter for me, I am buing this car any way Laughing

It is hard to find 1958 beetles, and it will be even more difficult to find Wink


Make sure to post up some pics when you get it!


Of course Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

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But doesn't matter for me, I am buing this car any way Laughing

It is hard to find 1958 beetles, and it will be even more difficult to find Wink


Make sure to post up some pics when you get it!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:22 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

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These are the numberís ?

Vin no : 1840XXX
Engine No: 2183XXX



build date - January 30th 1958
left factory on - January 31st 1958
Vin number - 18152xx
engine number - 2202104

Just as an example, above are numbers on a friends 58, that have been verified via the BC.


Thank you for your reply. When I check the VIN number's here, your given vin and engine number's are in the same month's production. So it is very likely to match.

But as Everett mentioned mine are in different month's, so probably this engine does not original to this chasis.

But doesn't matter for me, I am buing this car any way Laughing

It is hard to find 1958 beetles, and it will be even more difficult to find Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:37 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

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These are the numberís ?

Vin no : 1840XXX
Engine No: 2183XXX



build date - January 30th 1958
left factory on - January 31st 1958
Vin number - 18152xx
engine number - 2202104

Just as an example, above are numbers on a friends 58, that have been verified via the BC.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

I took a look at my engine and body numbers, based on the 1959 vw financial report, that says in 1958 they were doing 1866 cars a day.
Doing the math on the production numbers for December, the car was built on the 9th day of December production, and the engine about the same.

One of th re comments in the financial report was a major production increase from 58 to 59, so there might be a bigger spread in engine/chassis production.

Of course, the financial report might be calendar year, or fiscal year....I doubt it's model year. Was the factory working Mon to Fri, or Saturdays as well?

I understand if one requests a certificate and provides the engine number they will tell you if it's the original one, but they don't include an engine number otherwise.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:53 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Emre wrote:
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Emre wrote:
Hey guys,

I found a Feb 1958 built beetle which has a Jan 1958 build engine.
Owner claims its the factory engine?
Please tell me if it is possible or not??


Post the numbers...

If the VIN # is at the beginning of Feb and the engine is at the end of January, it very well could be original.


These are the numberís ?

Vin no : 1840XXX
Engine No: 2183XXX


1840xxx is from near the end of Feb., 1958 - Maybe 3rd week of Feb?
2183xxx is from mid-Jan., 1958

I would say No, it's not the original in that case.

The originals I have seen can usually be pinned down to at least the same week if you do the math on how many were made per month.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:45 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

EverettB wrote:
Emre wrote:
Hey guys,

I found a Feb 1958 built beetle which has a Jan 1958 build engine.
Owner claims its the factory engine?
Please tell me if it is possible or not??


Post the numbers...

If the VIN # is at the beginning of Feb and the engine is at the end of January, it very well could be original.


These are the numberís ?

Vin no : 1840XXX
Engine No: 2183XXX
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:57 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Emre wrote:
Hey guys,

I found a Feb 1958 built beetle which has a Jan 1958 build engine.
Owner claims its the factory engine?
Please tell me if it is possible or not??


Post the numbers...

If the VIN # is at the beginning of Feb and the engine is at the end of January, it very well could be original.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:16 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Emre wrote:
Hey guys,

I found a Feb 1958 built beetle which has a Jan 1958 build engine.
Owner claims its the factory engine?
Please tell me if it is possible or not??



Yup, totally possible...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:35 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Hey guys,

I found a Feb 1958 built beetle which has a Jan 1958 build engine.
Owner claims its the factory engine?
Please tell me if it is possible or not??
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Emre wrote:
Hey guys,

I found a 1958 beetle and it doesnít have its original body or ID plate.
They swaped the body with a regular sedan beetle in 70ís.

Current owner claims it is an original convertible pan, but how can I confirm whether it is an original vert car or not?

Cheers


Without the vert body tag to get the model ID#, I think your only option is to obtain a birth certificate..
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:16 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Hey guys,

I found a 1958 beetle and it doesnít have its original body or ID plate.
They swaped the body with a regular sedan beetle in 70ís.

Current owner claims it is an original convertible pan, but how can I confirm whether it is an original vert car or not?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Doomsday_hunter wrote:
Has anyone actually bought the wolfsburg west 58/59 interior kit? Its priced just over a grand for seat covers and door panels. Also says nothing about the correct colored cardboard backer for the rear seat. I know the simple answer is west coast classics but just trying to weigh my options out before spending the money.


I have not purchased the interior from Wolfsburg West. However, the below video may help. Chris Vallone purchased the interior from West Coast Classics, which makes the WW interiors. It appears very close to the original. However, the seams in the door panels are sewn while the originals were heat seamed. In the video you can see the rear seat comes with the correct backing (minus the bars.)


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:31 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Can anyone tell me which car jack is appropriate / stock for 1958-59? Please include pictures if you have them!

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 3:51 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

My 59 capri blue uk rhd😎

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Has anyone actually bought the wolfsburg west 58/59 interior kit? Its priced just over a grand for seat covers and door panels. Also says nothing about the correct colored cardboard backer for the rear seat. I know the simple answer is west coast classics but just trying to weigh my options out before spending the money.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

Thank you for confirming.

Another thing that I'm trying to figure out is which style box to use.
There are two types, one for headlights, another for an auxiliary circuit.
See the picture below, one has a bridged terminals.
Which style is correct for headlights?

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Regarding the comments about adding 2 more fuses for high/low beams, would using a 4 circuit fuse box be a good idea?
or will it be frowned upon for not being correct?
Again bridged or non bridged?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

You don't have to change the fuses when converting it to 12-volt.


TXHCBeetle wrote:
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I converted my current Oct 58 back in the 80s and I used the original wiring harness and the original fuse boxes so not sure why yours were changed as they don't need to be changed. Nothing needs to be changed in regards to wiring or fuse boxes to convert it to 12-volt.

The 1960 has a different fuse box on the side.


Did you simply replace the fuses in the fender-well fuse box with 12V fuses?
My car seems to have been built from a couple of cars, the only original 58 parts that remain are the body, fuel tank, doors, and glass. The conduit fenders are not present so the routing of the aftermarket harness was designed to accommodate the post-conduit headlighting.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion Reply with quote

TXHCBeetle wrote:
How does the speedo's manufactured date compare with the car's manufactured date? Is there a month lag, or do they match?


The speedo in my beetle was built sometime in September 1958 according to the stamp on the metal case. The car left the factory on 30 October 1958 and was delivered to the dealership in Salzburg, Austria on 02 November 1958.

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