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Gilbert Alvarez
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 Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 6:40 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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Good morning,
I found some euro bumpers that were on a 1959 bug and when I started cleaning them i noticed a stamp on the back “made in Brazil” along with 4 characters numbers. Would anyone know if they are original I can’t seem to find any other ones to compare to.
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Darryldh
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2025 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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| Gilbert Alvarez wrote: |
Good morning,
I found some euro bumpers that were on a 1959 bug and when I started cleaning them i noticed a stamp on the back “made in Brazil” along with 4 characters numbers. Would anyone know if they are original I can’t seem to find any other ones to compare to.
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The original bumpers on a '59 would be German, especially if it is a European car. They would have a VW stamp or LMB stamp.
I suspect that the fenders have just been replaced at some point in the car's life. |
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TedescoVP
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 8:03 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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TERGAL was a brazilian aftermarket bumper brand back in the 80's and 90's.
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Good morning,
I found some euro bumpers that were on a 1959 bug and when I started cleaning them i noticed a stamp on the back “made in Brazil” along with 4 characters numbers. Would anyone know if they are original I can’t seem to find any other ones to compare to.
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Darryldh
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 11:39 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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Somewhat related to bumpers, but something I just found out... The bolts that hold the overriders onto american-style bumpers were M10 up till 1959, and in 1960 they were M8.
I am using the part manuals for this discovery, and the actual date of switchover may be better determined by the Progressive Refinements data.
All I can say is my original rear bumper overriders have M10 ('58 sedan) and the suspected replacement front bumper has M8.
It's interesting that the hardware kits that most dealers sell cover the date range from '54-'67... which cannot possibly be true  |
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Darryldh
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2025 6:17 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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So I think I have found the answer to my own questions about the inner rim colours for 58 deluxe cars. I think some clarification should be made on the list of colours to paint things in this channel.
It turns out that L83 Silver white is only one of the "white" colours that were used on the inner portion of the rim. This list shows which white is used for which body colour:
BODY - RIM
L335 Capri - L82 Silver White
L41 Black - L81 Parchment White
L245 Light Bronze - L87 Pearl White
L334 Glacier Blue - L82 Silver White
L351 Coral Red - L277 Silver Beige
L240 Agave - L87 Pearl White
L243 Diamond Grey - L87 Pearl White
L87 Pearl White was definitely the most used colour, but not the only colour.
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So I have been narrowing down the paint codes for my 58 Coral sedan, and the wheel colours seems to have some conflicts.
According to this thread, the correct inner wheel colour is L83 Silver White, but every piece of documentation (I have found) says the correct color is L277 Silver Beige.
There is very little original paint on my rims to view, the several coats of other colours on top do not give up their secrets readily. I would probably call the colour underneath everything closer to a white than beige
What have you done on your wheels. Did anyone ever get L277 matched closely to another more common colour?
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sundialer66
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 7:52 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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Wanted to add this as I could not find if it was covered in the discussion. I have a 58 fender and a 59 fender sitting here. One coral, one garnet. Wow. I never noticed 58 has 2 drain holes. 59 has one.
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Darryldh
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 10:05 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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I have two pairs of 58-59 tubed fenders. The fenders original with my '58 Coral (late '57 manufacture) have two plugs and my other fenders (I was told they were off a '58, but cannot verify) have only one.
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Wanted to add this as I could not find if it was covered in the discussion. I have a 58 fender and a 59 fender sitting here. One coral, one garnet. Wow. I never noticed 58 has 2 drain holes. 59 has one.
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sundialer66
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2025 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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Interesting. I’m assuming the one I posted is garnet? a 59 color. It is original paint. And the coral one is also original paint. Came off a 4/58 car. I’d like
to get to the bottom of this for fun.
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jack1448
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2025 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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The front fenders from my September 57 production beetle (model year 1958) have only 1 drain hole. I removed several thick layers of undercoating this summer and found original diamond grey paint, so I believe these are original to the car.
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sunroof
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2025 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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A little help guys...
I am putting '58 to '64 brakes on my '54
But I can't remember how it all goes together. Does anyone happen to have a picture of an assembled backing plate.
Don
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Darryldh
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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Rear:
Fronts are virtually the same, except the brake cylinder is not at 12:00, but at 3:00 on the drivers side and 9:00 on the passenger side.... and the whole e-brake assembly is not there.
Get the Haynes or Bentley manuals to save yourself some stress. |
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EVfun 
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2025 12:43 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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A little help guys...
I am putting '58 to '64 brakes on my '54
But I can't remember how it all goes together. Does anyone happen to have a picture of an assembled backing plate.
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You have one '58-'64 brake backing plate and one '65 brake backing plate in that picture.
The '65 backing plate has 3 shoe rests for each brake shoe and came with wide slot wheel cylinder and wide slot adjusters. Since the wide slot adjusters are angled inside the correct shoes are also different. The shoes in your picture appear to be the correct ones for '58-'64 front brakes, provided they are 40mm wide.
Here is a picture of the front brakes assembled, from Glutamodo.
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sunroof
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2025 9:58 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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You have one '58-'64 brake backing plate and one '65 brake backing plate in that picture.
The '65 backing plate has 3 shoe rests for each brake shoe and came with wide slot wheel cylinder and wide slot adjusters. Since the wide slot adjusters are angled inside the correct shoes are also different. The shoes in your picture appear to be the correct ones for '58-'64 front brakes, provided they are 40mm wide.
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Good information. thank you. I am really hoping the later backing plate will work. So far I don't see a problem.
Don
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sunroof
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2025 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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That went very well
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sundialer66
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2025 9:13 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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| jack1448 wrote: |
The front fenders from my September 57 production beetle (model year 1958) have only 1 drain hole. I removed several thick layers of undercoating this summer and found original diamond grey paint, so I believe these are original to the car.
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Ok, Thank you! I’m now thinking my fender is Inca red. A 58 convertible only color. So EARLY fenders have the one and later 58’s into 59 have the 2. Oh and your fenders are beautiful.
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Darryldh
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2025 9:28 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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| sundialer66 wrote: |
Ok, Thank you! I’m now thinking my fender is Inca red. A 58 convertible only color. So EARLY fenders have the one and later 58’s into 59 have the 2. Oh and your fenders are beautiful. |
Except my early original fenders have 2 holes. These fenders would be from the last quarter of '57.
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sundialer66
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2025 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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Ok. So we know 9/57 had one then must be a change sometime after. Let’s call it a super early feature.
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Darryldh
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2025 9:35 am Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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| Ok. So we know 9/57 had one then must be a change sometime after. Let’s call it a super early feature. |
So it appears that all the bullet fenders in the Samba classifieds right now have a single drain port... So it makes sense that sometime in late '57 it changed to two holes. |
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AlteWagen
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2025 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: '58/'59 Beetle Discussion |
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| sundialer66 wrote: |
| Ok. So we know 9/57 had one then must be a change sometime after. Let’s call it a super early feature. |
So it appears that all the bullet fenders in the Samba classifieds right now have a single drain port... So it makes sense that sometime in late '57 it changed to two holes. |
A bullet fender (even NOS) can have two holes it shows it is a later production piece. ALL bullets and euro front fenders had the single hole up through 1957. Looks like its narrowed down to the month in this thread. There were actual german made bullet replacement fenders you could get from the dealer that used the later small hump fender and one hole drain bucket. They also did not have the hole drilled for the bullet signal wire only for top signal.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=448426
Looks like I can add a date change and correct the one pic description to early 58 production bucket/fender
Rear Luggage tray update:
Had a few minutes to search restoration threads and looks like late 59 the change in the rear luggage pressing occurred. Any late 59 owners want to post the month of production to narrow down the change?
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