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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:21 pm    Post subject: Beryl green frustration Reply with quote

Since the 80s Ive owned splits, ovals, verts. Black, white, red, even lime green. My current 62 rag is about a month from paint and I'm going Beryl Green. As this is a full on restoration, I want as close to originial as possible. Those of you sporting Beryl Green may feel my pain on accessory colors. Not excited about WW citrus-like interior green. Kinda like TMI's "Pea". Plan on using SEM flex paint for running boards and welting but can't find the green sunroof cover.
So...the question is. Which of these retailers colors are most correct?
What was the ORIGINAL carpet color? Yes Ive gone through the archives and searched and searched but straightforward answers from someone WITH an original Beryl car is what I need. I'm also not sure which color mohair headliner to go with but the ragtop is the most important. I van fake the olive wheel disc and Nepal Green e-brake but the roof...AAARRRGH the roof!!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sewfine has two green fabrics for canvas sunroof tops. Neither of them are Beryl though. And their brighter green one, that one is one of their new custom colors that cost like almost twice as much ( I inquired about their off-white color for my 62 pearl white bug. I might still get it despite the price... I bought the standard navy blue top from them for my baja and liked it a lot better than the last canvas top I'd gotten through WW a few years ago - Sewfine's tops have a sewn border around them that requires you securely glue them to the front and rear header bows, but if you do that they work and fit pretty good) They don't sell online, but you can access their catalog on their website here... (suroofs listed on page 20, and the color selections are on 29)

http://www.sewfineproducts.com/bugcat.pdf
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Originally, the carpet was Olive.
The headliner was the same on all the cars for that year, Sliver Beige.
The sunroof material.....I think you are pretty much screwed there.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was pretty much figuring the sunroof was going to get me. I can go with the olive carpet but I guess its black for the rubber mats.
Perhaps one day I'll stumble on the green mats and roof cover in a long forgotten corner of some defunct VW dealership.
Or maybe I'll wake up tomorrow as a one-legged high diver.
Thanks for at least confirming I had not overlooked some source.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might try calling Sewfine - they might have materials not listed in their catalog that are closer to the colour you want.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought I'd call them and WW and TMI and maybe even Classic VWs even though they list nothing for the 62. WW lists a "grey/green" squareweave option though its is not on the sample card I have from them, so phone calls are in order.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paint required for your Beryl Green:

Grab handle and steering wheel L383 Nepal green
Wheel rim L287 Opal White
Wheel disc L382 Olive
Steering column tube, gearshift and brake lever L383 Nepal Green
Seat frames L466 Silver beige

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YOU ARE THE MAN!!!. I knew those were the colors I needed, but could only find crappy pictures of everything but the Beryl Green, have the PPG code for it. All the archive pictures are for shit but those are good solid crisp colors that I believe my paint guy can match.
I've got a couple of Aussie friend, one a banana bender the other from Canberra and they always seem to go the extra mile.
Hats off to you mate!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

>>>thread hijack<<<

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redneckjoe wrote:
YOU ARE THE MAN!!!. I knew those were the colors I needed, but could only find crappy pictures of everything but the Beryl Green, have the PPG code for it. All the archive pictures are for shit but those are good solid crisp colors that I believe my paint guy can match.
I've got a couple of Aussie friend, one a banana bender the other from Canberra and they always seem to go the extra mile.
Hats off to you mate!

The colours always look different on a PC monitor. These were scanned from original VW paint chips with a spectrophotometer. I can give you the RGB or LAB formulas for these colors if it helps.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IN2VWS wrote:
redneckjoe wrote:
YOU ARE THE MAN!!!. I knew those were the colors I needed, but could only find crappy pictures of everything but the Beryl Green, have the PPG code for it. All the archive pictures are for shit but those are good solid crisp colors that I believe my paint guy can match.
I've got a couple of Aussie friend, one a banana bender the other from Canberra and they always seem to go the extra mile.
Hats off to you mate!

The colours always look different on a PC monitor. These were scanned from original VW paint chips with a spectrophotometer. I can give you the RGB or LAB formulas for these colors if it helps.

Cheers
John


I'd be interested in know this! Or even the PPG paint code or something to hand to a mixer
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I couldn't get a response, I figured out the RGB and LAB colors using photoshop:

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I hope this helps someone!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrispaterson82 wrote:
Since I couldn't get a response, I figured out the RGB and LAB colors using photoshop:

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I hope this helps someone!


That is great work, Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't "Beryl Green Frustration" a song by Tommy James and the Shondells?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fassed wrote:
chrispaterson82 wrote:
Since I couldn't get a response, I figured out the RGB and LAB colors using photoshop:

I hope this helps someone!


That is great work, Thanks!


It's my understanding though, that most (or at least all the ones I've looked at) shops can't mix a paint based on RGB or LAB colors. How would one accurately get these colors whipped up? Every screen (iPhone, computer etc...) displays colors differently and printing them is no guarantee of color accuracy. Does anyone know of a way to do this?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you mentioned, every PC screen etc is calibrated differently, therefore your method is not accurate.
Here are the values as scanned by my photospectrometer:

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IN2VWS wrote:
As you mentioned, every PC screen etc is calibrated differently, therefore your method is not accurate.
Here are the values as scanned by my photospectrometer:

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Awesome! But can you use LAB or RGB to get paint mixed?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as Rag material and color, since you are in VA. call Chuck's Convertibles in Richmond. He has a lot of resources and color selection for stay fast canvas.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never tried, but some of the people that ask me for these values, say they can get it mixed. Maybe if your paint supplier is unable to do it, then try another supplier. Or, maybe call PPG, Standox or Glasurit to ask if it can be done.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IN2VWS wrote:
I have never tried, but some of the people that ask me for these values, say they can get it mixed. Maybe if your paint supplier is unable to do it, then try another supplier. Or, maybe call PPG, Standox or Glasurit to ask if it can be done.


Cool Thanks IN2VWS! I'll give it a try...
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