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danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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$11k is fairly steep for this tintop
probably $3500 if wanted to move it within 30days.
maybe $5k if it had a clean interior/carpeting and rear bed/bench.
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/cto/d/clinton-vw-obo/7261426164.html
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Very clean
Asking $11000 or best offer .
For more information please call or Txt Sam |
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2018 Posts: 3019 Location: MD
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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I am a firm believer of the idea that if you want to sell a car, you must wash it before you take pictures.
$11k for a "I don't even care enough to spend 20 minutes putting effort into a sale."
Pass. _________________ '87 Syncro
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dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16501 Location: Brookeville, MD
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CanStan Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2005 Posts: 1037 Location: Calgary, AB
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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4Gears4Tires wrote: |
I am a firm believer of the idea that if you want to sell a car, you must wash it before you take pictures.
$11k for a "I don't even care enough to spend 20 minutes putting effort into a sale."
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I agree that particular Vanagon is 3x overpriced, but I've found some really good deals on cars because the seller didn't put any effort into cleaning up. Nobody else could see past the dirt and garbage, so there was no competition to buy. This van will keep dropping in price, probably lower than it should if it was cleaned up.
Although, often the pride someone has in the presentation of their car is directly related to the pride they took in care and maintenance. |
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joyfulpursuit Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2021 Posts: 50 Location: Western Washington
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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Well, I took a look an official look at a westy for the first time today. I've seen them at cars and coffee, but this was my first attempt as a potential buyer with cash in hand.
One seemingly nice 1987 example popped up only a couple miles from my house. And to be honest, it was nice for the most part. Absolutely no rust, all westy parts were there, mostly stock.
But, it wasn't totally dialed in. Tent canvas was rough, interior trim was rough including the stove faceplate being very corroded, door panels rough, manual windows weren't working well, was an auto, and there were squeaking belts. The wiper blades were totally shot and all window seals and chrome moulding were in the worst shape I've seen on these vans. I say all this because it just shows that the care is not there.
His wife was also there and she was very aggressive with my partner and I. Wouldn't let us get a single word in or point out anything negative about the van. There was zero good vibe during the viewing.
They wanted $25k for it. It was tough to walk away but my partner whispered "this is a crummy van" and that did it for me. I'd rather spend a little more on an all sorted van. I know some folks on here may disagree with me, they're 30 years old, expect a bit of a project, but meh. Doesn't have to be perfect, but I care so much about maintaining my vehicles, it just hurt to see the amount of neglect on this one and him being ignorant on it. My 30 year old e30 is perfect and dialed in enough that the only project work is fun work. A car can be old and still look and drive well.
I could see $18k for it but $25k was steep.
The search continues... but that's the fun part.
End whine/rant. _________________ 📖 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, Jesus,
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life - John 3:16
🚐 1987 Westy, EJ22 small car conversion
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MsTaboo Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4087 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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Sounds like you did the right thing. A good vibe with the sellers and the van is important.
$25k for a mediocre condition van is too steep. If the owners couldn't take the time or effort for basic outward maintenance what's hiding deeper?
All of the items you mention are things which can be improved by a motivated owner, but should have been done already for that price. _________________ Currently:
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joyfulpursuit Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2021 Posts: 50 Location: Western Washington
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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MsTaboo wrote: |
Sounds like you did the right thing. A good vibe with the sellers and the van is important.
$25k for a mediocre condition van is too steep. If the owners couldn't take the time or effort for basic outward maintenance what's hiding deeper?
All of the items you mention are things which can be improved by a motivated owner, but should have been done already for that price. |
Thanks for the encouragement! I really appreciate it. Today made me slightly discouraged; it was lower miles, rust free and a gray interior late model equipped with AC. Those are three must haves for me personally. Plus, it was local.
After I walked away, I began wondering if I had made the right decision or was just being too picky. I appreciate hearing your input and would agree. There were just too many unknowns on this one. _________________ 📖 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, Jesus,
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life - John 3:16
🚐 1987 Westy, EJ22 small car conversion
🚗 1991 e30 325i Sport MTech II coupe
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MsTaboo Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4087 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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Of course you can always use the items which need work to offer a lower price. Has it been for sale long?
But if this is only the first one you've looked at, maybe take the time to look at others.
There are a lot of campers in that price range. Oftentimes people will buy a Vanagon camper because it looks like fun but then find out it needs work and get discouraged by the money they have to spend; they turn around and try to sell for every dime they've spent. The only value in a vehicle is the vehicle itself, not any money spent on labor. Never let someone try to sell you on a car based on the amount of money they spent on labor. What matters is how solid the car is and what's actually there. Every car needs money spent on maintenance. That's why it pays to learn to work on your own van.
It's hard for someone on the net to judge a van that can't be seen in person. Many things go into deciding on a purchase. Does the van have the features you want? maintenance records? quality replacement parts? engine conversion? clean? Are you willing to work on all the things it needs? etc. Maybe a pre-purchase inspection? And of course that vibe you get from the seller or vehicle.
Keep in mind it is a 30 year old vehicle so be prepared for maintenance on even nice, well sorted vans.
Good luck with your search! _________________ Currently:
'90 Syncro Westy 3 knob w/Zetec
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CanStan Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2005 Posts: 1037 Location: Calgary, AB
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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joyfulpursuit wrote: |
Well, I took a look an official look at a westy for the first time today. I've seen them at cars and coffee, but this was my first attempt as a potential buyer with cash in hand.
One seemingly nice 1987 example popped up only a couple miles from my house. And to be honest, it was nice for the most part. Absolutely no rust, all westy parts were there, mostly stock.
But, it wasn't totally dialed in. Tent canvas was rough, interior trim was rough including the stove faceplate being very corroded, door panels rough, manual windows weren't working well, was an auto, and there were squeaking belts. The wiper blades were totally shot and all window seals and chrome moulding were in the worst shape I've seen on these vans. I say all this because it just shows that the care is not there.
His wife was also there and she was very aggressive with my partner and I. Wouldn't let us get a single word in or point out anything negative about the van. There was zero good vibe during the viewing.
They wanted $25k for it. It was tough to walk away but my partner whispered "this is a crummy van" and that did it for me. I'd rather spend a little more on an all sorted van. I know some folks on here may disagree with me, they're 30 years old, expect a bit of a project, but meh. Doesn't have to be perfect, but I care so much about maintaining my vehicles, it just hurt to see the amount of neglect on this one and him being ignorant on it. My 30 year old e30 is perfect and dialed in enough that the only project work is fun work. A car can be old and still look and drive well.
I could see $18k for it but $25k was steep.
The search continues... but that's the fun part.
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I agree- it's good to walk away if you get bad juju from the seller. Without pictures and a ton more info, it's hard to say for certain, but you're probably right that $25k was way too high for it.
That being said, those 'not totally dialed in' vans are my faves. A lot of buyers expect perfection (no matter what price range they're in), so these vans end up being passed over by most. For $500 worth of canvas, wiper blades, stove trim, belts etc, and a weekend of your time, you might be able to end up with a $25,000 van for $20,000. |
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joyfulpursuit Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2021 Posts: 50 Location: Western Washington
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:23 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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Just gonna leave this one here...
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/468165010874805/?ref=search&referral_code=undefined _________________ 📖 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, Jesus,
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life - John 3:16
🚐 1987 Westy, EJ22 small car conversion
🚗 1991 e30 325i Sport MTech II coupe
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dabaron Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2559 Location: Philly, mang
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:11 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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does it come with the monitor? _________________ 1991 Vanagon GL Camper
i had no idea i wanted to be a mechanic
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member
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Squidfish Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2004 Posts: 336 Location: 95519
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2451323
The ultimate flip. Just sold this van to him.. makes me sad to see "vendors" doing this. PM me for more info. _________________ 1985.5 - Vanagon Westfalia Weekender Wolfsburg Edition - LH8U - "Penny"
- 2.6i 5-Cylinder 10v (2004)
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holdthewind2 Samba Member
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead
Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 16863 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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50-60.00 more (depending on which option you chose) than the vendor sells them for, plus shipping and paypal fees? sign me the fuck up!
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2431642 _________________
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revolution337 Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2009 Posts: 372 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:12 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2455119
$60k for a 2WD weekender?
I'll pass. _________________ 1982 Westfalia AEB 1.8t
2017 VW Golf Sportwagen
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CanStan Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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Holy crap! So he wants to get every penny of the $40,000 in parts and labour he hired out for the engine and paint job? Plus he must must feel that the van was worth $20,000 before he even started the work (even though clearly it wasn't worth that if it needed paint and engine work.)
I think he could get max half of his asking price to someone who falls in love with it. Otherwise, I think realistically that's a $20,000- $25,000 van no matter how much he put into it. |
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SurfaceRust Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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CanStan wrote: |
Holy crap! So he wants to get every penny of the $40,000 in parts and labour he hired out for the engine and paint job? Plus he must must feel that the van was worth $20,000 before he even started the work (even though clearly it wasn't worth that if it needed paint and engine work.)
I think he could get max half of his asking price to someone who falls in love with it. Otherwise, I think realistically that's a $20,000- $25,000 van no matter how much he put into it. |
I wonder what engine it has if it cost 14K |
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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Based on the tailpipe I'd say it's still a waterboxer. I'd be it's a rebuilt 2.1. _________________ '87 Syncro
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Vanagon vans and parts for sale |
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CanStan wrote: |
Holy crap! So he wants to get every penny of the $40,000 in parts and labour he hired out for the engine and paint job? Plus he must must feel that the van was worth $20,000 before he even started the work (even though clearly it wasn't worth that if it needed paint and engine work.)
I think he could get max half of his asking price to someone who falls in love with it. Otherwise, I think realistically that's a $20,000- $25,000 van no matter how much he put into it. |
But - its got the original stains on the seat upholstery!!! _________________ '84 Vanagon GL 1.9 WBX
'86 Westy Weekender Poptop/2.5 Subaru/5 Speed Posi/Audi Front Brakes/16 x 7 Mercedes Wheels - answers to 'Dixie'
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