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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:07 am    Post subject: lifting super beetle Reply with quote

hey guys. me again. i want to get my super into the air for some offroading (PLEASE DO NOT GIVE ME MORE LINK TO WHY A SUPER IS NOT A GOOD OFFROADER), and I want to know how to get more height in the front and back. Longer shocks in the back? Coil spring spacers in the front? What works? I have also heard of rabbit springs inside of stock super springs for more height but I need to know how to do that
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the rear is easy. just reindex the springplates a couple notches, notch the spring plates for more travel and change CV joints if the angles become too extreme.

the front as you know is the tricky part. if i was to try this project, i would go with strut spacers (if you weld then homemade would let you make them as tall as you want), camber adjusters and reinforce the suspension pieces with extra steel to keep bending to a minium. here is a thread but dont read the your going to put your eye out first part and go on to the second. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=321797 you are mainly have to look at your front suspension parts and reinforce what you think might bend when it hits a rock. play in your mind which way the wheels will want to move and pressure that will be applied to which area of the suspension connections. you might even reinforce the sheet metal with plate where the suspension connects to the body and fab new suspension pieces out of harder steel. when you are done, take it out and beat the he## out of it and see what you can do to make it better or stronger.

make this work and prove the world wrong and get rich selling conversion kits to the super baja builders. you dont even have to put my name on it.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:22 am    Post subject: lifting super beetle Reply with quote

Look up the number and Call www.toplineparts.com

The rear can be done without and new parts

The front is a different story

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This might work.

Don't bitch about the price and I won't mention that your lifting a super!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really care that you are lifting a super....but trust me....this will not live 100 miles. You will need major welding and strengthening at the upper strut mount. For that matter...youwill need to be using something like that from topline shown in the last post....although there are much better (Foxx, Bilsteain etc.). Expect to have to spend in the neighborhood of $1300 to $1500 for the fully adjustable strut units.

Also....you WILL need to cut the chassis and weld in totally difffernt upper mounting points for the shocks mentioned. Also....you do not have the range of travel on the control arms necessary for this. You will need to make custom mounting points for them.
Also....the ball joint internal springs on the stock super beetle ball joints...will not survive the first two jumps before they shatter. You will need an aftermarket custom balljoint source. There are some good ones....figure about $300-500 for all it entails.

You will need a full triangulated frame for the front end to keep the strut towers from collasping...even going over minor 6" to 1' high jumps and ruts.

Its not that people are giving you crap about working with a super beetle...its just that you have no idea whats involved here with this suspension system. Ray
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok....Now i know about the back. How do I adjust it? never done this before and I just need some extra ground clearance for some backroads and hills out at prairie city.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with raygreenwood. know one is just giving shit over A super baja.. lots of people have thot about it and A lot have tried it.. It's A lot of work and A lot more money, If you have both Go for it, Id love to see A Super Baja!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here are videos on how on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=loweri...mp;spell=1 the videos are to lower but it gives you the ideal how to do the job. also check the stickys in the offroad section on this site. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=61284

rock on dude. if you rip the frontend out of it then just swap the frame head and put a beam on it. run what you brung, fix it all week and tear it up on the weekend.

superbeetles are tougher than you think and sometimes they just wont die.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if your just doing some basic off roading supers can work well, its when u start launching over jumps and stuff they start to suffer

but when i was a kid we had a 72 super for a paddock basher and mates had a 73 super and both stood up to years of offroad abuse, it was only the bodies rusting away that killed them.

you raise the front abit but not much cos it frigs with the suspension geometery.
you can get about 1" lift by rewelding the lower spring cup higher on the strut and swapping the upper spring plate to a 2 bolt style gives about 1.5" lift as well but the key to good ground clearance is bigger tyres

adjustable struts like above wont be any use, as all of them are shorter to start with, so they lower anyway then theyre only designed for going down not up

another member on aussieveedubbers has a superbaja too
its got some decent clearance just with bigger tyres

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buggin_74 wrote:
if your just doing some basic off roading supers can work well, its when u start launching over jumps and stuff they start to suffer

but when i was a kid we had a 72 super for a paddock basher and mates had a 73 super and both stood up to years of offroad abuse, it was only the bodies rusting away that killed them.

you raise the front abit but not much cos it frigs with the suspension geometery.
you can get about 1" lift by rewelding the lower spring cup higher on the strut and swapping the upper spring plate to a 2 bolt style gives about 1.5" lift as well but the key to good ground clearance is bigger tyres

adjustable struts like above wont be any use, as all of them are shorter to start with, so they lower anyway then theyre only designed for going down not up

another member on aussieveedubbers has a superbaja too
its got some decent clearance just with bigger tyres

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Nice super! I am planning to go with that color paint but black QP's and fenders. What did you do the front and back to get the lift?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that ones not mine but all we did with mine was at the back wound it up a 1 spline and front dad just welded the spring cup abit higher

cos it was just a paddock basher i took all the gaurds off and we got some old worn 4wd offroad tyres for free from the local tyre shop

bout the same size as what was on that bug but it was 16 years ago so cant remember sizes
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how do you move the lower spring cup? I think it welded all the way around, right?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep they are, best way is to spin the weld off in a lathe but if your very carefull you can grind them away with a small grinder,
thats how i used to do it
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: lifting super beetle Reply with quote

I lifted my super. I did the standard spline turn on the spring plates in the rear. On the front, I did two things, I got some "rally springs" from aircooled.net. That didn't do what I wanted it to so i cut and re-welded the spring cups on the strut housing. I moved them 1.5 inches up. With the springs, I probably netted about 2-2.5" lift. I don't understand why everyone craps all over the idea of lifting a super. I say: Everyone slams a super, why not do something original? And I don't understand all the talk about the struts failing either. If you plan on doing the baja 1000, don't use a super beetle, but lets be honest, most people who modify vehicles just want something that looks cool. I drive my super off road plenty, just dirt roads, nothing too extreme but I've taken it plenty of places that you would never be able to take a modern 2WD car. I actually have more ground clearance on my beetle than I did on my 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee. So far, after a year of driving it, my suspension hasn't failed. People act like the oil filled strut is all that's holding up your car, there are still springs, coil springs. Modern Jeep Wranglers all use coil springs. I'm ranting a bit now, but yes, you can lift a super, it's not that hard, it will last way more than "100 miles" despite what people may tell you.
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