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CLASSIC CAR GUY Transport and Title Guru
Joined: August 09, 2010 Posts: 1608 Location: Phoenix AZ, but originally from Long Island NY
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Blauhaus wrote: |
I too have the lines form Steph. When I spoke to him about this, his response was this:
The L fitting with flow control insert must be fit on the inlet (side) of your canister. It keeps the correct pressure in the case and lets the canister remain at 0 psi. |
that makes sense now that i think of it, i was thinking with the restriction at the return it would maintain a full canister all the time, however if the restriction is at the inlet, how would the canister have the chance to fill up?, it never would in the return in larger than the inlet.. _________________ (0\!/0)
58' Rag'
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 11005
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:43 am Post subject: |
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CLASSIC CAR GUY wrote: |
Blauhaus wrote: |
I too have the lines form Steph. When I spoke to him about this, his response was this:
The L fitting with flow control insert must be fit on the inlet (side) of your canister. It keeps the correct pressure in the case and lets the canister remain at 0 psi. |
that makes sense now that i think of it, i was thinking with the restriction at the return it would maintain a full canister all the time, however if the restriction is at the inlet, how would the canister have the chance to fill up?, it never would in the return in larger than the inlet.. |
Joe,
It definately stays filled because when you remove the lid the can is full. I think you are forgetting that the oil has to make its way through the restrictive element that is the filter cartridge. This would prevent the oil from just simply draining out through the unrestricted opening at the bottom. |
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skyto Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2003 Posts: 177 Location: Finland
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:08 am Post subject: |
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CLASSIC CAR GUY wrote: |
that makes sense now that i think of it, i was thinking with the restriction at the return it would maintain a full canister all the time, however if the restriction is at the inlet, how would the canister have the chance to fill up?, it never would in the return in larger than the inlet.. |
Take out the filter, look at the central oil return tube in the canister. You'll see a hole where the arrow e) points.
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CLASSIC CAR GUY Transport and Title Guru
Joined: August 09, 2010 Posts: 1608 Location: Phoenix AZ, but originally from Long Island NY
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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Braukuche wrote: |
CLASSIC CAR GUY wrote: |
Blauhaus wrote: |
I too have the lines form Steph. When I spoke to him about this, his response was this:
The L fitting with flow control insert must be fit on the inlet (side) of your canister. It keeps the correct pressure in the case and lets the canister remain at 0 psi. |
that makes sense now that i think of it, i was thinking with the restriction at the return it would maintain a full canister all the time, however if the restriction is at the inlet, how would the canister have the chance to fill up?, it never would in the return in larger than the inlet.. |
Joe,
It definately stays filled because when you remove the lid the can is full. I think you are forgetting that the oil has to make its way through the restrictive element that is the filter cartridge. This would prevent the oil from just simply draining out through the unrestricted opening at the bottom. |
Thanks Dan, I never examined one in detail like that, learn something new everyday?, now I know, buy the way, hows the set up working on the bus!
Joe _________________ (0\!/0)
58' Rag'
60' Type 1
61' Type 1
62' Type 1
64' Type 1
66' Type 1
66' Vert'
67' Type 1
"every one wants to reinvent the wheel, but nobody knows how to make it round"
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skyto Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2003 Posts: 177 Location: Finland
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Those with a 40hp installation, please post pictures. What's the best looking option for the return line hollow bolt? A fuel pump or generator pedestal stud? Or drill & tap a hole somewhere?
Distributor clamp is not an option, that's a blind hole in a 40hp case. |
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WesleyGarrard Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2007 Posts: 541 Location: Pekin, Il
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:10 am Post subject: |
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skyto wrote: |
Those with a 40hp installation, please post pictures. What's the best looking option for the return line hollow bolt? A fuel pump or generator pedestal stud? Or drill & tap a hole somewhere?
Distributor clamp is not an option, that's a blind hole in a 40hp case. |
Here is what I did.
Of course I am running an electric fuel pump. |
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oval56 Samba Member
Joined: July 21, 2003 Posts: 1309 Location: oktoberfest maintown
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:55 am Post subject: |
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for 36hp i have oillines and fittings (distributor stud and adaptor) availible _________________ www.oval56.com
1956 Oval, 2364ccm typ4
1957 Oval Ragtop 1584ccm singel port modified
1950 Hebmüller, 1584ccm okrasa modified
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zundapp Samba Member
Joined: August 16, 2004 Posts: 514 Location: Never far from Fahrvergnügen
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:04 am Post subject: |
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skyto wrote: |
Those with a 40hp installation, please post pictures. What's the best looking option for the return line hollow bolt? A fuel pump or generator pedestal stud? Or drill & tap a hole somewhere?
Distributor clamp is not an option, that's a blind hole in a 40hp case. |
I did the drill and tap into the genny stand. There is a rounded area cast into it for some reason. It was the perfect size for the hollow bolt to thread into.
This setup came with an Okrasa oil cooler but I eliminated it because it's just a bad idea. It warms the air that is supposed to cool the motor but I doubt it did much to cool the oil. Preheating air that then is supposed to cool oil in the factory oil cooler seams counter-productive to me. |
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skyto Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2003 Posts: 177 Location: Finland
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:35 am Post subject: |
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zundapp wrote: |
I did the drill and tap into the genny stand. There is a rounded area cast into it for some reason. It was the perfect size for the hollow bolt to thread into.
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Perfect! The same place as here (with a banjo fitting)
I have the same oil lines as in your pics, think I'll follow the same procedure for the return location. The hollow bolt won't be on the way then if removal of the gen stand or fuel pump is required. Great pictures, thanks!
As for the cooling spirals, haven't found any actual cht & oil temp results anywhere. Until that I'm wary of taking sides, but keeping things stock is certainly the safest way to go. It could also be that the spiral takes some of the thermal load of the stock cooler, and distributes it more evenly across the cyls.. |
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rtroy Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2009 Posts: 259 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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zundapp wrote: |
skyto wrote: |
Those with a 40hp installation, please post pictures. What's the best looking option for the return line hollow bolt? A fuel pump or generator pedestal stud? Or drill & tap a hole somewhere?
Distributor clamp is not an option, that's a blind hole in a 40hp case. |
I did the drill and tap into the genny stand. There is a rounded area cast into it for some reason. It was the perfect size for the hollow bolt to thread into.
This setup came with an Okrasa oil cooler but I eliminated it because it's just a bad idea. It warms the air that is supposed to cool the motor but I doubt it did much to cool the oil. Preheating air that then is supposed to cool oil in the factory oil cooler seams counter-productive to me. :? |
Firstly, with this setup, you can eliminate the bolt and thread the 90 degree piece straight into the generator stand - more or less exactly as Porsche did on its early engines.
And secondly, the oil cooler in front of the fan intake can be seen from an engineering point of view as nothing more than increasing the area of the existing oil cooler. There is extra capacity for it - it's not such a bad idea after all.
Regards,
Richard _________________ Richard
Karmann Ghia and Porsche 356 enthusiast
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DONGKG The Araneta Boys
Joined: August 28, 2006 Posts: 5475 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines, "A Certified Type 3 and Karmann Ghia Maniac"
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:17 am Post subject: |
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rtroy wrote: |
zundapp wrote: |
skyto wrote: |
Those with a 40hp installation, please post pictures. What's the best looking option for the return line hollow bolt? A fuel pump or generator pedestal stud? Or drill & tap a hole somewhere?
Distributor clamp is not an option, that's a blind hole in a 40hp case. |
I did the drill and tap into the genny stand. There is a rounded area cast into it for some reason. It was the perfect size for the hollow bolt to thread into.
This setup came with an Okrasa oil cooler but I eliminated it because it's just a bad idea. It warms the air that is supposed to cool the motor but I doubt it did much to cool the oil. Preheating air that then is supposed to cool oil in the factory oil cooler seams counter-productive to me. |
Firstly, with this setup, you can eliminate the bolt and thread the 90 degree piece straight into the generator stand - more or less exactly as Porsche did on its early engines.
And secondly, the oil cooler in front of the fan intake can be seen from an engineering point of view as nothing more than increasing the area of the existing oil cooler. There is extra capacity for it - it's not such a bad idea after all.
Regards,
Richard |
I did this set up on my vw too. _________________ '67 KG Cabrio (Mickey) ;
'66 Type 3 (Sharky 2)
'72 Type 2 Homey
'67 Splitty Bus
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CLASSIC CAR GUY Transport and Title Guru
Joined: August 09, 2010 Posts: 1608 Location: Phoenix AZ, but originally from Long Island NY
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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same here, that small spot on the genni stand was almost designed for it and looks like it should be there _________________ (0\!/0)
58' Rag'
60' Type 1
61' Type 1
62' Type 1
64' Type 1
66' Type 1
66' Vert'
67' Type 1
"every one wants to reinvent the wheel, but nobody knows how to make it round"
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BISH Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2005 Posts: 50 Location: Garden of England
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:10 pm Post subject: oops! |
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Hello good people.
I have fitted a Fram filter and Okrasa style oil cooler today, using this thread as a reference. So, thanks for all your contributions.
All went well until...................................................................................
Thats the oil pressure switch / banjo fitting adaptor; SHEARED!!
What an idiot.
In my defence the material that sheared is less than 1mm thick! But I am a heavy handed ...............................!
I have emailed Steph, aka Mr Wob, and requested one asap. But is there anyone else that could help with a replacement if he is awol at the mo? I am really hoping to drive the Oval to the Volksworld Show in two weeks time if possible.
Any help appreciated.
Thanks, and remember, be GENTLE. |
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CLASSIC CAR GUY Transport and Title Guru
Joined: August 09, 2010 Posts: 1608 Location: Phoenix AZ, but originally from Long Island NY
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: oops! |
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BISH wrote: |
Hello good people.
I have fitted a Fram filter and Okrasa style oil cooler today, using this thread as a reference. So, thanks for all your contributions.
All went well until...................................................................................
Thats the oil pressure switch / banjo fitting adaptor; SHEARED!!
What an idiot.
In my defence the material that sheared is less than 1mm thick! But I am a heavy handed ...............................!
I have emailed Steph, aka Mr Wob, and requested one asap. But is there anyone else that could help with a replacement if he is awol at the mo? I am really hoping to drive the Oval to the Volksworld Show in two weeks time if possible.
Any help appreciated.
Thanks, and remember, be GENTLE. |
good luck trying to get it fast... _________________ (0\!/0)
58' Rag'
60' Type 1
61' Type 1
62' Type 1
64' Type 1
66' Type 1
66' Vert'
67' Type 1
"every one wants to reinvent the wheel, but nobody knows how to make it round"
Vintage Volkswagen Sales and Service as well as Classics and Muslcecars all located here in Phoenix Arizona at www.rpmotorcars.com |
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John M Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Give Joe "Mr Okrasa" Ruiz a call. 1-714-926-7004.
John |
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BISH Samba Member
Joined: February 18, 2005 Posts: 50 Location: Garden of England
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:00 am Post subject: Re: oops! |
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CLASSIC CAR GUY wrote: |
BISH wrote: |
Hello good people.
I have fitted a Fram filter and Okrasa style oil cooler today, using this thread as a reference. So, thanks for all your contributions.
All went well until...................................................................................
Thats the oil pressure switch / banjo fitting adaptor; SHEARED!!
What an idiot.
In my defence the material that sheared is less than 1mm thick! But I am a heavy handed ...............................!
I have emailed Steph, aka Mr Wob, and requested one asap. But is there anyone else that could help with a replacement if he is awol at the mo? I am really hoping to drive the Oval to the Volksworld Show in two weeks time if possible.
Any help appreciated.
Thanks, and remember, be GENTLE. |
good luck trying to get it fast... |
In fairness to Steph, he was pretty quick the last time I ordered bits from him, but it was over two weeks from order to delivery. So I thought I would ask you guys just in case there is someone else out there...................................................... |
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BISH Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:01 am Post subject: |
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John M wrote: |
Give Joe "Mr Okrasa" Ruiz a call. 1-714-926-7004.
John |
Have emailed him. Thanks for that |
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Ojai63dbl Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Is anyone currntly making the banjo adaptor or does someone have a source. Cant get Steph on email (somebody PM m his emil please to ee if I have wrong one) and no response from Mr. Okrasa (Ruiz) at least for me. To be fair I havent tried to call yet, just need the adpator bolt.
For that matter anyone selling the Okrasa Oil cooler loop right now> |
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djway3474 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Ojai63dbl wrote: |
Is anyone currntly making the banjo adaptor or does someone have a source. Cant get Steph on email (somebody PM m his emil please to ee if I have wrong one) and no response from Mr. Okrasa (Ruiz) at least for me. To be fair I havent tried to call yet, just need the adpator bolt.
For that matter anyone selling the Okrasa Oil cooler loop right now> |
http://www.malonespecialtyinc.com/banjo_fittings/banjofittings3.htm |
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John Moxon Samba Moderator
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