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Gezuvwor
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 Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 6:45 am Post subject: Re: How to Install Fram external Oil |
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| Mr. Okrasa wrote: |
I would assume when Okrasa designed their dual port engine kits and wanted to "add" an oil filter as an accessory, using the oil pressure switch area would have made
it an ideal location WITHOUT completely disassembling the engine in order to drill / tap (metal shavings) an accessible and convenient oil galley. |
Thank you very much Joe for all this detailed and common sense information.
Have you had the opportunity to evaluate the approximate volume of oil filtered by this device? |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:26 am Post subject: Re: How to Install Fram external Oil |
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| Gezuvwor wrote: |
In the context of drawing oil from a secondary circuit initially supplying the pressure sensor and not at the outlet of the oil pump, filtration remains not perfect
That said, should we increase the quantity of oil if we have installed a Fram FP3 like here? I suppose that the oil in the filter goes back down into the crankcase by gravity, when the engine is stopped.
Firstly, I would tend to think that we should add approximately the same volume of oil as the filter contains, in order to avoid any planing in the suction of the crankcase...
Am I wrong ?
I also wonder about taking the oil from the location of the pressure probe: we take oil which was supposed to lubricate the vital parts to send it into the filter. Obviously, there are fewer of them going into the landings... |
I would assume when Okrasa designed their dual port engine kits and wanted to "add" an oil filter as an accessory, using the oil pressure switch area would have made
it an ideal location WITHOUT completely disassembling the engine in order to drill / tap (metal shavings) an accessible and convenient oil galley.
Their long 14mm hex bolt added at the oil pressure switch location is identical what the early Pre-A Porsche 356's used in their engines. The concern about low oil pressure is measured by a 2mm controlled orifice in the fitting. This allows sufficient oil to flow to the oil filter but at the same time, maintain proper oil pressure to the bearings. This design is brilliant as does not (high) pressurize the oil inlet line at the oil canister but rather maintain important oil pressure within the block.
Additional oil is added to fill the oil canister, oil cooler if used and oil lines. Some oil does drain back in to the crankcase but not all. Whenever I start a freshly built Okrasa engine, I add 2 1/2 qts. of oil to fill the crankcase and fill the oil filter canister with the element inside. This will assure me that I have filled the "large" voids in the oil system. After you shut down, I check the oil level at the dipstick and add oil if required. Of course, if you have a deep oil sump, you will need additional oil.
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Gezuvwor
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:16 am Post subject: Re: How to Install Fram external Oil |
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In the context of drawing oil from a secondary circuit initially supplying the pressure sensor and not at the outlet of the oil pump, filtration remains not perfect
That said, should we increase the quantity of oil if we have installed a Fram FP3 like here? I suppose that the oil in the filter goes back down into the crankcase by gravity, when the engine is stopped.
Firstly, I would tend to think that we should add approximately the same volume of oil as the filter contains, in order to avoid any planing in the suction of the crankcase...
Am I wrong ?
I also wonder about taking the oil from the location of the pressure probe: we take oil which was supposed to lubricate the vital parts to send it into the filter. Obviously, there are fewer of them going into the landings... |
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Glenn
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: How to Install Fram external Oil |
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| puchfinnland wrote: |
Has anyone modified this type oil filter to be full flow?
I imagine welding on larger fittings for larger diameter feed and returns |
It would have to be plumbed differently and the filter would have to be able to handle the pressure.
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puchfinnland
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: How to Install Fram external Oil |
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Has anyone modified this type oil filter to be full flow?
I imagine welding on larger fittings for larger diameter feed and returns
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gingerporsche
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 1:04 am Post subject: Re: How to Install Fram external Oil |
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Hi I’ve just bought the fram oil canister for my okrasa 30hp engine so I’m now in need of the oil hose kit..
Does anybody know where i can buy it from??
Possibly in the uk?
Tia |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: How to Install Fram external Oil |
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| evanfrucht wrote: |
I need one of the oil sender/filter fittings like the one pictured above in the top left corner. And also the last page near the top was a picture of a broken one...
Who makes them, who has them, or how can I get one. I'm trying to get a hold of one ASAP. |
vwmike333 on the Samba makes the lines and sells kits with fittings and lines. I suspect if you reach out to him he may sell you the fitting you are looking for. Search for okrasa style fram oil filter hoses and fittings. |
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evanfrucht
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| Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: How to Install Fram external Oil |
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I need one of the oil sender/filter fittings like the one pictured above in the top left corner. And also the last page near the top was a picture of a broken one...
Who makes them, who has them, or how can I get one. I'm trying to get a hold of one ASAP.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: How to Install Fram external Oil |
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| Some top quality lines and fittings from Mike! Cohine lines that match the early lines perfectly. |
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John Moxon
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jorgeschmidt
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:37 pm Post subject: Where I can find this part? |
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I'm working on my dual carbs 40hp and I want to install my Fram oil filter.
I have seen this installation kit
and this one
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The second one with oil cooler is better ?
Hello, someone know where I can Buy this oil cooler? |
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mkbug
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| Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: How to Install Fram external Oil |
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I wanted to add this picture from the gallery for future reference...
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Is there a better template on where to drill the shroud then this?
Looks like 120 mm from the center line of the generator to the left. And 50 mm from the top of the shroud to the top of the canister's bolt. But what if the brack has been moved on the canister?
Hate to hit the cooler or the directional vanes in the shroud.
Thanks Martin
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grailoc
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: How to Install Fram external Oil |
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Hi everyone,
I am reopening that thread,
I have a NOS FRAM OIL Filter and Hose and looking for the studs adapters to go in and out of the 36hp engine.
Does anyone know where either find following hose kit or just the studs that connect on the engine?
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Got mine from Michael Bucchino in MA.
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Joshua B
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: How to Install Fram external Oil |
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| Does anyone have a picture of what their restrictor looks like in the 90 degree inlet fitting? How large is the opening? Mine doesn't have it so I need to figure it out. Does anyone just sell the fitting? |
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