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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3987 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 9:38 am Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions |
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Tip for any interested- Go down to the hardware store and dig though the metric hardware for some long M5 machine screws. Grab an old pushrod, and cut some spacers- these ones are about 50~60mm long. Exact length depends on the machine screws you can find- I think these were 75mm long. Easy low-buck high-flow mod to lift the brace out of the throat of the carb! All you do after that is trim the center stud to match the increased height. Not pictures, but I also cut a spacer for the stud so that the air filter lid has something to tighten up against so that the lid doesn't warp when you tighten the nut or wingnut down.
_________________ 73 super beetle thread http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=649622 Back on the Road!
Modify your Kadrons for SVDA http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8115884#8115884
Cast iron VJU4BR8 SVDA reference thread- https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
Need replacement filters for original Kadron aircleaners? WIX #42087 is a perfect fit, as is Napa Gold #2087! |
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gregson1 Samba Member
Joined: December 13, 2004 Posts: 464
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:28 am Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions |
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This picture was taken about a month after I started my battle with Kadrons, and about 5 minutes before I decided to go with something else. Still, I love the look and the performance was pretty good, but spark plug, exhaust and A/F readings coupled with dripping throttle shafts on new carbs killed the relationship. Who knows--I might come back to them in the future.
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DONGKG The Araneta Boys
Joined: August 28, 2006 Posts: 5475 Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines, "A Certified Type 3 and Karmann Ghia Maniac"
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:13 am Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions |
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Lingwendil wrote: |
Secret tip-
The VJU4BR8 (0 231 115 040 is the alternate/later model number) is identical mechanically to the "019" with an added vacuum advance can. It is adjustable for both total advance, as well as sensitivity. It is a killer way to go with kadrons, and is a period correct part.
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In fact even if the hose for the vacuum advance is unplugged the vju4br8 will work according. It's mechanical advance curve is sufficient. Cool looking engine. But I would route the breather hose at the back of the fan shroud to free the engine bay from too crowded. IMO. _________________ '67 KG Cabrio (Mickey) ;
'66 Type 3 (Sharky 2)
'72 Type 2 Homey
'67 Splitty Bus
'65 beetle;'69 Country Buggy; '44 Kubelwagen (replica) TOOB MEMBER #20 |
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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3987 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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The Dubbernaut Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2011 Posts: 162 Location: Kennewick, Wa
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions |
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Made a deal on this old 1972 bus with dual carbs and found this guy under the hatch! Ill have more info once I get it home. I couldnt tow the thing back behind my KTM Any details on what I have? I dont quite see the matching part in this thread...
_________________ 2012 Tiguan 4motion
2 Corrado's
3 Beetle's
76 Bus
2 Baja's
66 Pigalle Squareback
80 Rabbit
80 Rabbit Pickup
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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3987 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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cyberdyne systems 101 Sambanator
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 414 Location: in my own little world
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 11:21 am Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions |
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pwmcguire wrote: |
I just found this thread, Is any one familiar with the accelerator pump ball valve that looks to be 1 mm. I got a rebuild kit with 2.5 mm balls and they would not work. When I installed them the accelerator pump tube jammed them to tight in the hole and they would not move. New replacement tubes would not work. I ended up cutting off the bottom of an old tube to give it more room. Any ideas on the small ball? |
I'm pretty sure you can get them from kaddy shack _________________ When I think of something to say - I'll be the first to know
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pwmcguire Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2011 Posts: 1108 Location: Kennesaw GA
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2016 9:41 am Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions |
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I just found this thread, Is any one familiar with the accelerator pump ball valve that looks to be 1 mm. I got a rebuild kit with 2.5 mm balls and they would not work. When I installed them the accelerator pump tube jammed them to tight in the hole and they would not move. New replacement tubes would not work. I ended up cutting off the bottom of an old tube to give it more room. Any ideas on the small ball? |
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cyberdyne systems 101 Sambanator
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 414 Location: in my own little world
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:01 am Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions |
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Lingwendil wrote: |
Here's how I modified them for SVDA...
Use your drill and a file to turn a steel pin to fit the vacuum channel, and then cut it to about 1/8" long...
And then drive it down the channel with a punch, making sure to only block the bottom port below the throttle, leaving the upper port clear...
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That's such a good idea, nice details thanks _________________ When I think of something to say - I'll be the first to know
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cyberdyne systems 101 Sambanator
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 414 Location: in my own little world
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions |
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Loving this thread guys. I'm keen to get some Kadrons again, had a used set back in the 90's and as far as I remember they were great...and that was with an 009! Imagine it's better now we can modify to run with an svda.
Looking at the hard fuel lines, it seems they were never intended to be used with a regulator, but now the advice is to use one, perhaps they were better made back in the day?
How do you guys find them in winter, I have a daily driver so it is a consideration, but I've come to like them again so much, all practicalities are going out of the window! _________________ When I think of something to say - I'll be the first to know
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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3987 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions |
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Here's my set, the breather tube has been cut and welded in the aircleaner, and hole drilled underneath for whatever reason. I have the perforated steel covers for the filters, but they are mangled, and in the garage somewhere. I've got a set of hardliners made from brakeline I fitted to them. They sit on a set of steel manifolds.
Here's how I modified them for SVDA...
Use your drill and a file to turn a steel pin to fit the vacuum channel, and then cut it to about 1/8" long...
And then drive it down the channel with a punch, making sure to only block the bottom port below the throttle, leaving the upper port clear...
Get yourself a 3/16" drill bit, and drill out the port plug on the carb body, I did this while my carbs were apart and venturies removed, but you are only going into the plug about 1/4" before it spins out with the bit. Next, get some 5/32" tubing and cut and deburr it. I found for my carbs that 7/8" worked great. Tap it in.
Here they are installed on a 1600DP. Haven't tested the vacuum pull yet, since I need to grab an SVDA first.
_________________ 73 super beetle thread http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=649622 Back on the Road!
Modify your Kadrons for SVDA http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8115884#8115884
Cast iron VJU4BR8 SVDA reference thread- https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
Need replacement filters for original Kadron aircleaners? WIX #42087 is a perfect fit, as is Napa Gold #2087! |
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jdub63 Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2008 Posts: 225 Location: Azle
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions |
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14 gauge seems a bit thick ?? |
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sled Samba Member
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DreamWeaver Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2012 Posts: 178 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:43 am Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions |
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Where would I look to get as close as possible to the OG Kadron perforated metal/filter mesh?
similar to the bellow
Most metal places want me to buy 2meters square of the stuff
Worked out I need roughly 450mm x 90mm. |
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Jacks Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2006 Posts: 2344 Location: San Clemente, Ca.
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions |
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Also will fit single port 1300 _________________ Jack Staggs
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conrad1468 Samba Member
Joined: December 20, 2003 Posts: 1019 Location: Jeannette, PA 15644
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onesweet63 Samba Member
Joined: October 26, 2009 Posts: 46 Location: columbus ohio
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: The Vintage Kadron History Thread with Questions |
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i have a pair of single port carbs that are kadron steel intake manifolds with the equal tube has not been cut... I want to put them on my 67 bug but Im not sure they will fit.. any info would greatful |
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Robert Chambers Samba Member
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DreamWeaver Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2012 Posts: 178 Location: Melbourne Australia
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:32 am Post subject: |
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Thanks guys! |
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 9585 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Thanks for the clarifications, conrad. After looking at the brake junction photo, and then the one for the fuel lines, the fuel lines are definitely of a (slightly) larger diameter. Therefore the union nuts are also larger. |
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