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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Sensible answer. Thanks _________________ Peace, Regis |
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JeffRobenolt Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2007 Posts: 1513 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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95 is OBD2 and it is dual port exhaust.
It is the only 2.2 that is that way, the dual port exhaust is the same as the 96-99 2.5 DOHC motors.
You actually can swap a 95 2.2 into a 96-99 Forester or Outback that came with a DOHC 2.5, plug and go.
The 96-99 DOHC motors have the head gasket failures.
The 2000 and up still have head gasket failures but not to common, as common as a 2.2 or most other motors. _________________ --------------------------------------------------------
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Syncroincity Samba Member
Joined: April 15, 2007 Posts: 1557 Location: New York City
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Get the turbo for a daily, then another NA car for the donor! At least check it out, if it's in decent shape, you might like it. I had a '91 turbo 5-spd sedan, for almost 10 years... lots of mods. They're great cars. Check out bbs(dot)legacycentral(dot)org, lots of early Subaru information there.
The turbo motors (EJ22T) are a closed-deck design, (relating to the cylinder water-jacket, regular EJ22s are open-deck) and although only put out 165 HP in stock form in the US, are capable of much more without touching the mechanicals. Look up the Impreza 22B... same block. The US-market turbos have no intercooler, and run only about 10psi boost (hence the low HP numbers) but are smooth and torquey, with a very small turbo that's on boost almost immediately (@ 1000 RPM), very suitable for a van.
Planting a turbo into a van is more work, mostly due to the exhaust and turbocharger placement, but the wiring and mounting is identical. Easier in a 2WD van. _________________ '86 Syncro CHC Top AAZ Turbodiesel
'04 Passat Variant 4Mo 5MT
Vanagon Build: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=466866&highlight= |
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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jrobewesty wrote: |
95 is OBD2 and it is dual port exhaust.
It is the only 2.2 that is that way, the dual port exhaust is the same as the 96-99 2.5 DOHC motors.
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No, JDM had 95 2.2 obd1 single port, and they're available at any JDM importer. There's one sitting in my van. _________________ One of these days I'm gonna settle down,
but till I do I won't be hangin round.
Going down that long lonesome highway,
gonna see life my way
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connorsvw2 Samba Member
Joined: August 16, 2008 Posts: 347 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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As the OP lives in CA, the ONLY CA-legal swap is an OBD-I 2.2; pick your pre-95 year (avoid 90 due to oil control ring issues). You will have to use the complete Kennedy conversion kit if you have to deal with CARB/emissions testing in your neck of the woods unless you get lucky, but this is an expensive risk to take. This will get you an exemption barcode-once you have this, you can think about "upgrading" to a 2.5, etc.
The Yahoo Subaruvanagon site has been instrumental in my own conversion, running 7 years now with a 2002 2.5L SOHC engine. Best thing I have EVER done to my Westy-twice the HP, better mileage, and totally reliable. |
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JeffRobenolt Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2007 Posts: 1513 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Yep if he's in CA the talk about the 95"s doesn't matter. Stick with what you can get smogged.
For the 95 debate I was only talking about US cars not direct imports from Japan. _________________ --------------------------------------------------------
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whafalia Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2009 Posts: 685 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for that info for CA, I was wondering if such things happened with 2.5s. Curious about the 90-91 manual ej2.2 issue regarding interchangeability, if one installed one of these and later got say a 94 2.2 would the wiring harness just plug in, or do those unique parts create a need for more re-wiring? |
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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if one installed one of these and later got say a 94 2.2 would the wiring harness just plug in |
No, different parts and wiring for them. |
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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but you could use that later 94 motor if you just hook up the long block in the place of the earlier motor's longblock. _________________ One of these days I'm gonna settle down,
but till I do I won't be hangin round.
Going down that long lonesome highway,
gonna see life my way
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syncrodoka Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12006 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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I knew that there was something about the '95 cars. Quote from a respected member on the yahoo group-
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Q- Which year 2.2 is best?
A- Definitely a 95 or 96 that was built in 1995. They are both OBDII but exempt
until January 1996 production by Federal law. |
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iiigoiii Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2008 Posts: 307 Location: Bay Area, CA
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:04 am Post subject: |
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note that the OBD1 cars have more than just error codes. they use the Subaru Select Monitor protocol to monitor many different ECU parameters. software (both free and paid) is available to monitor these in realtime.
more information on the parameters and the software/hardware is available on my website: http://www.4bc.org/vanagon/engine.html. _________________ 1984 Westfalia Wolfsburg Ed. w/ Subaru EJ22 power |
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vannygun Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2006 Posts: 316 Location: Portland,or
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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my current 1995 donor is a single exhaust at the back and is OBD2. I wanted a 94 but this car was a steal($550). I am about an hour into removing the dash and three cuts later(my hand) and maybe another hour I will have the harness. wasn't as bad as I thought. I am looking forward to the OBD2 benefits(scanner that shows realtime engine info etc. _________________ definition-Vanagon, "a ideal breeding ground for gremlins"
2000 jeep Cherokee sport (DD)
1990 vanagon gl 2.2 subaru(sold)
2006 jeep commander |
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Grizzly_black Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2006 Posts: 225
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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I have converted a few '95s with OBD2 and they were all dual port exhaust.
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thummmper Samba Member
Joined: November 25, 2009 Posts: 2015 Location: Meadow Valley, California Republic
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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you go vannygun! I just did that over the holidays and glad I did! It's a 90 though, and she's a little oily on #4 spark plug. shes nice and clean with new gaskets and belt. I did toms version 5 cooling system as well-
it self scavenges the air out of the back system. I still twist the radiator valve twice a month to keep the air out. You will find that auto parts store
hose clamps these days are chinese junk--specifically the "Ideal" brand
and "Koehler" loosen up as much as 3 turns in a week, initially shattering your self confidence until you realize how bad the clamps are.
factory bmw, mercedes and volvo clamps are corrugated, not slotted and have superior metallurgy to boot. I double them up. spring clamps suck. throw them out.
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regis101 Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2005 Posts: 2078 Location: Livermore, Ca
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Tom's version 5?
I'm trying the search function with, Tom's and version and 5. _________________ Peace, Regis |
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vannygun Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2006 Posts: 316 Location: Portland,or
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:18 am Post subject: |
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This is concept #5(tom sheils)
_________________ definition-Vanagon, "a ideal breeding ground for gremlins"
2000 jeep Cherokee sport (DD)
1990 vanagon gl 2.2 subaru(sold)
2006 jeep commander |
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vannygun Samba Member
Joined: July 26, 2006 Posts: 316 Location: Portland,or
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:20 am Post subject: |
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www.subaruvanagon.com is where you will find a ton of excellent conversion porn. _________________ definition-Vanagon, "a ideal breeding ground for gremlins"
2000 jeep Cherokee sport (DD)
1990 vanagon gl 2.2 subaru(sold)
2006 jeep commander |
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Farfrumwork Samba Member
Joined: October 10, 2008 Posts: 692 Location: Mile High
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:27 am Post subject: |
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I second the advice on
legacycentral.org
And the EJ22T (the turbo version) is a BAD ASS motor. My DD is a '93 turbo Legacy - it's modified with about 250/270 (hp/tq) at the crank - FUN for a DD But I really don't think I'd put one in a van myself - may be right for others though. The EJ22 is just about perfect for the vanagon (I have completed the conversion too - '92 EJ22 in my '85 Westy). Just replace all the seals and gaskets before you install and enjoy! |
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regis101 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the picture. The search did turn up his name in one of the posts. _________________ Peace, Regis |
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914 mike Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Tom is a great guy. Easy to talk to. Very professional. Does not mind the "stupid" questions when you get stuck. Very helpful. I used him for my harness, t-stat, reverse manifold and muffler mount. Everything was plug and play. Money well spent. Made for an easy conversion.....
Not to thread jack....but can or has the EJ22 turbo motor be used in california? _________________ Mike
84 Westy
2.2 Suby
In a world full of ponies it's a thoroughbred horse....
Can ≠ Should |
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